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havelock wrote:
> I prefer to think that pacifism isn't an acceptance of domination it's the
> acceptance that others need to dominate and the reaction to this is in
> (generally) in non physical ways. Part of what I was trying to communicate
> was that they were swearing military fealty before battle which is not
> really an example of pacifism.
>
> hair does grow after death so do fingernails. In Norse myths Hela, Queen of
> the dead, collects the fingernails of the dead (grow like wood) and is
> building a ship with them to attack the realm of the gods asgard.
>
> Incidentally Russians intellectuals last century used to grow their
> fingernails as long as possible to show that they did not do manual labour
> it probably also signified and independent money source). This is a bit
> like long hair or beards sometimes being associated with wisdom...though
> this is more likely ageist because it takes time to grow a long beard and
> hence the time to accumulate wisdom
>
It is totally different. The ruling class in China went to great lengths to make
sure that the ruler was physically unable to do work for himself. It is a
powerful signal that not only does he not have to stoop to physical labor, but
that he has a following so loyal that he can be entirely dependent on them to do
the right thing.
>
> >
> >
> > >In medieval europe the beards of
> > >vassals were grasped by lords as a sign of domination...not pacifism.
> >
> > Pacifism is often an acceptance of domination, at least for the moment.
> >
> > >In preparation for
> > >death they combed their hair. So for these peoples the combing
> > of hair had
> > >a great socio-semiotic value.
> >
> > All of which brought a rush of images to me, like beauty parlors, and
> > wedding announcements, and mortuary makeup procedures, and 'le petit
> > mort', and Irving Penn photos....
> >
> > And of course, the hair does 'grow' a wee bit after death....
> >
> > - Wade
> >
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