From: joedees@bellsouth.net
Date: Wed 30 Oct 2002 - 22:28:22 GMT
>
> On Wednesday, October 30, 2002, at 01:26 , joedees@bellsouth.net
> wrote:
>
> > But an intact and lasting meme is exactly what is necessary to
> > explain multiple token performances of a behavior type; and the
> > locus in which such an entity may reside is one's meme-ory. The
> > thought is parent to the action, and logically and empirically prior
> > to it.
>
> The spider continues to make unique and environment-conditioned webs
> (web2 not being web1) without any speck of a meme.
>
That is hard-wired behavior, and each species of spider weaves a
different web, but the selfsame web pattern as its conspecifics. Now,
the capacity for language in general may be hard-wired in humans, but
the capacity for English, Chinese, Tagalog or Urdu is not, because
these are created, not inherited, specificities.
>
> There is absolutely no requirement made at any point that intent or
> 'logical thought' be a parent to an action, and no requirement for
> conscious memory prior to performance.
>
I'll bet you thought of that answer before you typed it, and that fact in
and of itself negates your stance.
>
> There is thus no requirement for a meme, intact, lasting, or
> checkered, meme-oried or layered, spongy or firm, as a prior entity to
> performance. All that is required is already part of human nature and
> development. All of that, and an audience. The meme does require an
> audience, present or prepared for.
>
Nope. Specific cultures are not hard-wired human nature; otherwise
there would be just one of them (and a single language, too). What is
created must be transmitted and received to be communicated, and
must be stored to be subsequently manifested in action. And BTW,
even hard-wired behaviors are hard-wired in those brians you insist
upon avoiding; it's just that greater cognitive complexity is required to
generate individual variants.
>
> Sometimes the trail of the meme, an artifact, sits without an audience
> capable of attempting another performance, as in a museum, observable
> only
>
In that case, the museum is within the skull, because that is where the
between'performance-tokens meme-type resides. Or do you think it
exists in a magnetic resonance aether, hmmmm? because most surely
it exists; otherwise, you are anti-Occamically multiplying entities
WAAAY beyond necessity, by insisting that each performance is
nonrelationally sui generis, rather than they all being action-tokens
generated by a common cognitive meme-type template.
>
> - Wade
>
>
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