From: joedees@bellsouth.net
Date: Wed 16 Oct 2002 - 21:28:29 GMT
>
> On Wednesday, October 16, 2002, at 02:56 , joedees@bellsouth.net
> wrote:
>
> > It is the only possible commonality between multiple performances of
> > the same behavior by a single individual.
>
> Repetition is not dependent upon latency.
>
> Twitches are multiple performances of the same behavior. So are
> habits. We have already dismissed these from memetic behaviors.
>
But intentionally undertaken and specifically meaningful behaviors are
precisely memetic, and precisel;y the kinds of behaviors that require the
previous internalization of a neuronal excitation pattern. I would also
argue that many habitual behaviors are just cases of memes being
internalized to the degree that they become second nature.
>
> Besides... there is no such thing as identical performances. Song1 is
> not Song2. This is the very essence of cultural change.
>
Tree(1) is not tree (2), but they are both tokens of the type. You go
from splitting hairs to splitting the atoms within them, in a vain attempt
to enforce a doctrine of universal difference in the face of obvious and
ubiquitous token/type class set similarity.
>
> Memes do not evolve, they are each unique performances, utilizing
> similar and preponderant preparations.
>
Wrong. The memetic performance of the song 'She's So Fine"
subconsciously mutated in George Harrison's brain into the
recognizable similar "My Sweet Lord", a plagiaristic transgression for
which he was forced to pay mucho bucks. The same thing happened,
this time consciously, when Ray parker' Jr. stole the hook from Huey
Lewis and the news' song 'I Wanna New Drug" and incorporated into
the "Gostbuster" theme. The courts forced ray to pony up, too.
>
> Each car from a factory is unique, but, because the factory is made to
> produce a near identical artifact, each one gets the same name, i.e.
> Cadillac Eldorado, and is recognized as such, but you would not drive
> another's. The commonality between them is the factory. Memes are
> behaviors produced by memeplexes (factories), in our case humans
> within a shared culture behaving.
>
No, there are no such things as humans; we give certain entities that
name, but they are all unique beings. Even identical siblings are not
strictly speaking identical, since each is in individual creation and they
are spatiotemporally unique. And what would be for one of them an
instance of 'behaving' might well be an instance of something else for
any others that we mislabel as members of the Human class (since
they're sooooo unique!). In fact, we might as well jettison language
altogether, as it functions by subserving classes, and now, according to
the received behaviorist wisdom of Wade, we recognize that in a
universe with nothing besides a whole plethora of sets each containing
one member only, that such a classifying system cannot help but lead
us into egregious error.
OMMMMMMMM!
>
> - Wade
>
>
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