Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id BAA20390 (8.6.9/5.3[ref pg@gmsl.co.uk] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk); Tue, 21 May 2002 01:02:26 +0100 X-Originating-IP: [209.240.222.132] From: "Scott Chase" <ecphoric@hotmail.com> To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk Subject: Re: pls direct me to a memetics list <eom> Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 19:56:12 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: <F29KbBR42XAvDzmSa6h00005716@hotmail.com> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 May 2002 23:56:12.0599 (UTC) FILETIME=[EBAEDC70:01C20059] Sender: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
>From: Steve Drew <sd014a6399@blueyonder.co.uk>
>Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
>To: <memetics@mmu.ac.uk>
>Subject: Re: pls direct me to a memetics list <eom>
>Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 23:34:58 +0100
>
>Hi Wade
>
>Firstly as I've said before, atheism is as much a belief as religion. Prove
>god doesn't exist! Or watch out next time you cross a zebra crossing :-)
>
>Bush is one of the most redneck Presidents in recent years. If he were on
>minimum wage he would probably live in a mobile home with a selection of
>guns etc or don't you get the picture ?
>
Wow, did you cultivate your view of the U.S. from re-runs of the Dukes of
Hazzard or what? Being a Texan, Bush would be more of a cowboy than a
plowboy, a distinction probably lost on the Brits but I've heard plenty of
times from the "crackers" I grew up with. Texas is an entity in itself, with
its lone star, distinct from the rest of the south in some ways.
BTW Clinton was from Arkansas. Maybe his Rhodes scholarship and Brit
enculturation disqualifies him from "redneck" status in British eyes.
Johnson, Carter, Clinton, and Dubya are all kinda easily lumped into the
redneck US prez category. I'm sort of liking that Carter's got the fortitude
to confront the Cuba issue, probably much to Dubya's chagrin.
>
>He's torn up more treaties than anyone else cos it hurts American buisines
>and fuck off to other people. Try reading your own newspapers about what he
>is like.
>
Or watch FoxNEWS where he's venerated.
Are you giving Wade the longhorns for Bush? Wade's living in the heart of
US-ian liberalism, so-called Taxachusetts, land of the Kennedys I hope you
know. "New England" is far removed from the "deep south" you're bashing away
at. Of course Bush Senior the Yalie is often kickin' back in Maine, but
let's not make those distinctions please ;-)
>
>Also, most of the world do not follow US versions of Christianity, or
>Christianity at all for that matter. You seem to espouse the American
>doctrine of the founding fathers religion while denying the religion that
>supports it.
>
Is this one of dem dar Brit-Yank thangs?
>
>Please also note that I have taken the trouble to reply to you.
>
>A courtesy you have not extended to me in the past.
>Following is the whole post, not your snippet.
>
>Regards
>
>Steve
>
> > Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 17:18:52 -0400
> > From: "Wade T.Smith" <wade_smith@harvard.edu>
> > Subject: Re: pls direct me to a memetics list <eom>
> >
> > On Sunday, May 19, 2002, at 04:54 , Steve Drew wrote:
> >
> >> Try looking at religion from more than the US view.
> >
> > I look at all religions from an atheist's, i.e., _disinterested_ point
> > of view. I do not 'look at it' from 'the US view', but, really, Steve,
> > just what the hell _is_ that?
> >
> > I want to know.
> >
> > - - Wade
>Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 21:54:35 +0100
>From: Steve Drew <sd014a6399@blueyonder.co.uk>
>Subject: Re: pls direct me to a memetics list <eom>
>
>Very interesting Ray. In some respects the study of chain mail could aid
>the
>study of religion because the chain mail letter, though depending on
>superstition etc is a much smaller memetic unit than religion and hence
>more
>susceptible to study than religion itself. What do you think?
>
>Also, Wade your wrong. Religion doesn't seem to relate to most of the
>factors you mention. Bush is loaded and come across as a bit of a red neck
>that on min wage would be out shooting owt for the pot.
>
>Try looking at religion from more than the US view.
>
>Regards
>
>Steve
>
> > Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 17:35:27 -0400
> > From: <rrecchia@mail.clarityconnect.com>
> > Subject: Re: pls direct me to a memetics list <eom>
> >
> >>
> >> On Tuesday, May 14, 2002, at 05:08 , Steve Drew wrote:
> >>
> >>> It is a message who's sole excistance relies on "copy me or
> >>> else!"
> >>
> >> And upon superstition, and leisure time, and social standing, and a
> >> postal service or other distribution, and perhaps a hundred other
> >> motivations and forces none of which will be, ever are, or could even
> >> be
> >> investigated or corrected for.
> >>
> >> IMHO such studies are useless. They are only valid as meters of
> >> academia's distance from practicality.
> >>
> >> - Wade
> >>
> >>
> > As opposed to a discussion of why religious fundamentalism spreads among
> > Moslems or numerous other hot button topics you frequently participate
> > in. Clearly none of the factors you have mentioned above cloud or muddy
> > the precise analysis engaged in here.
> >
> > Neither the cladistic nor the population distribution analysis I
> > suggested need necessarily get into those motivations. They would
>simply
> > catalog relations among letters and population frequencies, leaving
> > causal analysis for another time. Such studies would produce useful
> > information much in the same way that a classification and population
> > distribution analysis of related species need not immediately get into
> > why speciation occurred or the reasons for differences in population
> > distribution. Check 'Reconstruction of organisational phylogeny from
> > memetic similarity analysis: Proof of feasibility' by Andrew Lord and If
> > Price in the September issue of the Journal of Memetics for an example.
> > I suspect that chain letters could be much more objectively classified
> > than religious denominations.
>
>
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