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Again, I think you are missing important distinctions between words. A fact
is KNOWLEDGE of a real phenomenon. Facts are memes. Gravity is a PHENOMENON.
Anything we say about it is a meme.
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From: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk [mailto:fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk]On Behalf
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Subject: Re: Thoughts and Perceptions
On Wednesday, April 17, 2002, at 01:56 , Lawrence DeBivort wrote:
> Each of these deifintions posits an observer or a 'stator.' So, I think
> Grant's point is well taken, and stand corrected. I think Wade is
> using the
> term to refer to the "auctual existence" of the thing, regardless of
> whether
> it is observed or stated.
Man is the measure of all things.
He ain't the maker of what's being measured. (Unless he is, and,
admittedly, in this little and local corner of the universe, he makes
quite a bit.)
And what's being measured is a 'fact'.
The type of measurement is not. It might even be a concept.
Yes, gravity is a fact without anyone being about to measure it.
Grant will fall off that bridge without needing any concept of falling,
or bridge, or gravity.
- Wade
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