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In the way I use the term 'fact', I agree. But my dictionary suggests that
Grant's usage may be more correct. The dictionary suggests a distinction
between 'fact' and, let's say, 'reality.' Thus, I would say, "Gravity
exists whether or not anyone notices it. How does that work. Wade? Grant?
Of course, I'm only looking at my handy-dandy, pandering American Heritage
Dictionary, and the college version at that. This is nudging me to go
upstairs to my OED.
Lawrence
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> On Wednesday, April 17, 2002, at 01:56 , Lawrence DeBivort wrote:
>
> > Each of these deifintions posits an observer or a 'stator.' So, I think
> > Grant's point is well taken, and stand corrected. I think Wade is
> > using the
> > term to refer to the "auctual existence" of the thing, regardless of
> > whether
> > it is observed or stated.
>
> Man is the measure of all things.
>
> He ain't the maker of what's being measured. (Unless he is, and,
> admittedly, in this little and local corner of the universe, he makes
> quite a bit.)
>
> And what's being measured is a 'fact'.
>
> The type of measurement is not. It might even be a concept.
>
> Yes, gravity is a fact without anyone being about to measure it.
>
> Grant will fall off that bridge without needing any concept of falling,
> or bridge, or gravity.
>
> - Wade
>
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