Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id XAA06252 (8.6.9/5.3[ref pg@gmsl.co.uk] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk); Tue, 12 Mar 2002 23:29:19 GMT X-Originating-IP: [209.240.222.132] From: "Scott Chase" <ecphoric@hotmail.com> To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk Subject: RE: Cultural traits and vulnerability to memes Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 18:23:16 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: <F2808ogcnNmq1MuJVDC000187ef@hotmail.com> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Mar 2002 23:23:17.0157 (UTC) FILETIME=[E3B99550:01C1CA1C] Sender: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
>From: Vincent Campbell <v.p.campbell@stir.ac.uk>
>Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
>To: "'memetics@mmu.ac.uk'" <memetics@mmu.ac.uk>
>Subject: RE: Cultural traits and vulnerability to memes
>Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 11:38:51 -0000
>
> > >"determinism" is both true and at the same time completely without
> > >application in our lives.
> >
>Seems sort of right to me. Saying that the range of our potential
>behaviours are determined, does not mean that individual behaviours at
>particular points in time are determined. Someone who is tall with good
>eye-to-hand co-ordination need not play basketball if they don't want to.
>
And was the height of this hypothetical person *determined* by heredity or
environment? Are they taller than their parents? Grandparents?
If they had grown up (given same genetic background) back in olden times,
would they have been as tall? I have seen old setllment homes in Appalachia
and if memory serves correct, people these days would have to stoop getting
through the front door. Anybody been to Shakespeare's house at Straford on
the Avon? It was early 80's when I was their and as a high schooler I recall
the doors not being too far above my noggin.
Determinism of genes or environment kinda melts away when one thinks in
terms of the fusion inherent in Richard Lerner's noion of developmental
contextualism. I'd think human behavior at least as pliable as height and
open to sway of environmental factors which influence gene expression.
>
>Mind you, even if the social environment indicates to that individual that
>social success will be achieved through their playing basket ball so they
>play bball and become the next Michael Jordan, they will probably say it
>was
>what they always wanted to do.
>
>There is some application then in recognising the true limits of free will,
>and the extent to which 'I was only obeying orders' is a legitimate
>defence.
>
>Apologies for the posts today if they're a little out of it- a combination
>of an unwise post-2am stint on Metal Gear Solid 2 [playstation 2 game FYI;
>Poole's 'Tigger Happy' briefly referes to video games as meme machines
>BTW],
>and a 9am seminar on journalism and politics neither of which I've quite
>recovered from yet!
>
>I need another cup of tea (coffee is for Americans :-)).
>
>Vincent
>
>
>
>
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