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At 08:15 PM 8/03/02 +0000, you wrote:
>Hi Jeremy
>
>> Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 18:31:24 +1100
>> From: Jeremy Bradley <jeremyb@nor.com.au>
>> Subject: RE: Rumsfeld Says...
>>
>> At 09:19 PM 7/03/02 +0000, you wrote:
>> Snip........
>>
>>> I have a little sympathy with your point of view, though my knowledge
comes
>>> only from books and documentaries, and not much of them either. From
what i
>>> understand, they did not really catch on to the idea of armed resistance
>>> that other cultures did, such as the North Americans and the South African
>>> etc, indigenous populations.
>>
>> An interesting point Steve
>> Records show that there was more resistance than we have been led to
>> believe. However, it does seem a) that there were few instances of the use
>> of firearms by Australian peoples until after the conquest, and b) they
>> fought within their Law, which allowed only for pay-back killings and not
>> the punitive expeditions that were mounted against them. They therefore
>> lost their numbers due to inferior weapons and superior morals.
>> Jeremy
>
>Thanks, i wasn't aware of this.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> I did note that IIRC (now i know what it means!), that New Scientist
did an
>>> article about how the first evidence of cave art can be found in
Australia,
>>> and that it also depicts a boat. I can't check this as i don't
subscribe to
>>> NS, and i can't check my files at the moment as i don't have acopy of
>>> Appleworks to decode my files. Sorry.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Steve
>>
>> Yes Steve
>> As I have been saying to Vincent, the cave art is a significant record. The
>> painting you refer to recorded the passing of Mathew Flinders' voyage of
>> circumnavigation. A voyage commemorating the bicentenary of this event left
>> Sydney yesterday.
>> Cheers
>> Jeremy
>
>The cave art i referred to was in the region of 40,000 years ago, and
>presumably painted by the ancestors of the Aborigines, and pre dates
>European cave art. I.E. its is the oldest human cave art. As i said i can't
>access the file with the reference in at the moment, unfortunately.
>
>regards
>
>Steve
Great Steve, send me what you can when you can on this one, tho' I have a
PC. Many of the caves were, and/or are, used to record life and significant
events. In some of these caves paintings span many thousands of years. In
having some 'art' translated by an elder, he showed where he had added
several pictograms himself over the course of his life. They were woven
into the tapestry of his entire culture.
Jeremy
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