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Hi Jeremy
> Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 17:28:16 +1100
> From: Jeremy Bradley <jeremyb@nor.com.au>
> Subject: RE: Rumsfeld Says He May Drop New Office of Influence
>
> At 12:31 PM 5/03/02 -0000, you wrote:
>
> Snip........
> I don't want to stir up the Aussies on the list, but there seems to be two
>> diametrically opposite views about aboriginals in Oz, either the traditional
>> colonial one of disdain and control (evidenced by Prince Phillip's spear
>> throwing comments the other day- oh we Brits are so proud...), or a
>> guilt-ridden over-celebration and over-estimation of their culture and
>> capabilities (a bit like those pro-native americans who refuse to accept
>> that the Anasazi might have been ritualistic cannibals as the archeology
>> strongly suggests).
>>
>> Vincent
>>
> Vincent
> Egotistical, barbaric colonists came here to Australia a mere 214 years
> ago. They disobeyed their King, International Law and their instructions
> from the Colonial Office; not to mention their Church.
> In that short span of time they and their 'civilised' descendants caused so
> much damage socially and environmentally that it is a tragedy of
> inconceivable proportions. I have had the opportunity to live with several
> 'tribal' groups and I have no hesitation in assuring you that these are
> civilised people in any sense of the word. It is a part of the process of
> inter racial conflict to denigrate those whom you would dispossess. It is a
> shame that to speak up on their behalf is to invite such as yourself to
> indulge in name-calling, but you are not the first and you won't be the last.
> Yes, at times (and under special circumstances), some of the Australian
> peoples also participated in what may today be thought of as 'uncivilised'
> practices, but they never plundered or massacred like their invaders and
> they did live sustainably. If we can learn to do likewise, I will be
> impressed by that too.
> Jeremy
I have a little sympathy with your point of view, though my knowledge comes
only from books and documentaries, and not much of them either. From what i
understand, they did not really catch on to the idea of armed resistance
that other cultures did, such as the North Americans and the South African
etc, indigenous populations.
I did note that IIRC (now i know what it means!), that New Scientist did an
article about how the first evidence of cave art can be found in Australia,
and that it also depicts a boat. I can't check this as i don't subscribe to
NS, and i can't check my files at the moment as i don't have acopy of
Appleworks to decode my files. Sorry.
Regards
Steve
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