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On Tue, 2002-03-05 at 22:30, Jeremy Bradley wrote:
> Nuke Gingridge said today that it is "reasonable that a nation has the
> right to defend itself against clear and present danger by whatever means
> are available to it". He also said that it is 'just' that a nation take
> "action against aggressors" even if that action is pre-emptive.
Slightly off-topic from the original post, but I find the above
statement quite interesting. is "Nuke" (Your spelling, not mine) saying
that due to the fear of danger (that may be justified) the potential
victim can do anything they want to the potential aggressor, even before
the aggressor attacked? Does that then justify, say, the use of atomic
weapons against potential foes, or perceived foes? (Like say, the USA
bombing Iraq with a 10M 'nuke') The most interesting part in your
wording is the fact that you used 'nuke' and 'whatever means are
available to it' in the same sentence.
Then again, it might just be bad spelling...
I do find a problem with the concept of 'whatever means necessary' since
the interpretation of 'means' can be absolutely catastrophic and, of
course, unjustified.
--Virtually, Ned Wolpert <wolpert5@cox.net> 4e75
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