Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id XAA03263 (8.6.9/5.3[ref pg@gmsl.co.uk] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk); Tue, 26 Feb 2002 23:14:12 GMT X-Originating-IP: [194.117.133.84] User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 23:06:31 +0000 Subject: Re: mind From: Steve Drew <srdrew_1@hotmail.com> To: Jom-emit <memetics@mmu.ac.uk> Message-ID: <B8A1B783.223%srdrew_1@hotmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Feb 2002 23:08:34.0856 (UTC) FILETIME=[840CA280:01C1BF1A] Sender: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
Hi Wade
> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 18:46:37 -0500
> From: "Wade T.Smith" <wade_smith@harvard.edu>
> Subject: Re: mind
>
> Hi Steve Drew -
>
>>>> But from the point of
>>>> view of the group nothing different has occurred.
>>>
>>> Ah, but from the point of view of the group something _has_ occurred-
>>> someone has joined them.
True, but this may not impact on their behaviours and routines.
>
>> I suppose, though i was really referring to their behaviours and the
>> perspective of the group. As i noted earlier, the performers intentions are
>> irrelevant to the observer.
>
> But when the observer becomes a performer- one of the group, there is
> quite a relevance. In fact, much of ritual and acceptance is all about
> this. Initiations. Diplomas. Certificates. Licenses. Tattoos.
> Foreskins....
Indeed. I was, as you are aware, on about the performers themselves in that
they did not input anything to the observer by necessarily conscious acts.
>
> _All_ cultures don't really want anyone to be outside looking in.
> (Multi-culturalism is a nice little fairy tale, though, ain't it?)
Tell me about it, i live in the UK which still believes this BS.
>
> Resistance is futile, you will be assimilated.
Vogons and Borg. Nice combination. :-) (BTW, you never did come back with
a guess at the quote "think of it as evolution in action". Quite relevant in
this list)
> If you stay too long in
> one place, it is rare not to be. This was my 'inertia' statement. It's
> just the way it is. One's religion is pretty much a foregone conclusion
> unless there is some movement (either in distance or information) about
> the choices. Thus, one picks fruit from a tree if that is all one ever
> sees or knows, and starves when there is a grocery store.
Isn't this the bit where human inventiveness and curiosity come in. I reckon
a bushman has a better chance of finding food in my society than i would in
his.
Very few people go native IMHO, just varying degrees of acceptance of the
new locales way of doing things.
>
> Water, water, everywhere, and nary a drop to drink. Except from this cup
> that's been there forever, filled by the village fathers.
>
> Yes, we need more cups and less villages.
>
> - - Wade
The 'village fathers' is part of the process whereby we don't go 100%
native. It is also one of the blocks of not being able to see another point
of view, which can lead to conflict.
regards
Steve
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