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>From: "Wade T.Smith" <wade_smith@harvard.edu>
>Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
>To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
>Subject: Re: Words and memes: criteria for acceptance of new belief or
>meme
>Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 11:53:05 -0500
>
>On Monday, February 18, 2002, at 10:59 , Francesca S. Alcorn wrote:
>
>>Where I lived in Africa, the people believed that lightning was "called
>>down" on you by people you had pissed off (or rather by the witch
>>doctor who was *paid* by the people you had pissed off. - a sort of
>>lightning-for-hire scenario). While this may not have led to an
>>invention of the lightning rod, it certainly made people a little more
>>cautious and careful around each other - which probably strengthened
>>social bonds/community. So it may not have been verifiable in the
>>sense that you are talking about, but it had it's pay offs.
>
>What is verifiable and empirical is the bank-account (or whatever passes
>for lucre) of the shaman in that tribe. His behavior is also definable
>and predictable by the same accounts....
>
>Who starts a confidence trick, and why? I prefer Barnum to Freud.
>
>And, like Neitschze, I say 'science is the original sin'. How sweet the
>blow that hoists the sham(an)'s head upon the spike.
>
>Franklin ain't on the hundred dollar bill for nothin'.
>
>
Wasn't Nietzsche an unpolished version of Freud?
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