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>Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 11:04:17 +0000
> Re: Steve Drew <srdrew_1@hotmail.com> <memetics@mmu.ac.uk>Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
>
>on 2/15/02 7:19 PM, memetics-digest at fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk wrote:
>
>> If this clash of cultures heats up much more you can kiss civil liberties
>> goodbye everywhere. We're reaching a point where we either watch everybody
>> or we let the wild and crazy people destroy us, one tower at a time.
>
>Ithought we were nearly at the point where we can tag everyone. Hasn't
>Eschelon been operating for a few years. Over here in the UK the cops are
>experimenting with face recognition systems etc.
>
>> To my
>> mind this is just part of the legacy of genetic evolution. When the habitat
>> gets too crowded (and that's a decision made by nature, not man) the animals
>> start doing crazy and self-destructive things. They turn against each other
>> and the four horsemen start stalking the land. You'd better get ready for
>> interesting times.
>
>I wasn't aware that we needed a special reason to act that way.
>>
>> It will be an interesting spectacle to see if memes can overcome genes in
>> the battle to see which is going to rule the earth. The genes have emotions
>> on their side and the memes have logic. Want to take any bets on which is
>> going to win? I feel like walking around with a plackard saying: THE END OF
>> SOMETHING IS NEAR! The trouble is, besides civil liberties, I'm not sure
>> what is ending yet.
>>
>> If I sound like a nut case, just ignore me. I've been dwelling on the
>> meme/gene wars for a long time now and I know how crazy it sounds to most
>> other people. Since there's nothing I can do about it, I just sit back and
>> watch the march of history prove me right or wrong. But I DO find it
>> interesting. (Heh, heh, heh.)
>
>the gene/meme conflict is at the heart of this list surely, and it is
>interesting. There was a tv programme that i caught the trailer to the other
>day which made the claim that Steve Jones thought that evolution has come to
>an end. If the attributin is correct, i don't see how that can be. With
>technology progressing as it is, we may be able to select genes. It will
>move evolution into a different phase. It might also mean that genes become
>even more meme driven
>
Yep, genetic evolution may become as intention-influenced as memetic evolution, via engineering.
>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Grant
>
>Regards
>
>Steve
>
>
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