RE: Useless memes

From: Bruce Jones (BruceJ@nwths.com)
Date: Fri May 12 2000 - 15:21:32 BST

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    From: Bruce  Jones <BruceJ@nwths.com>
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    IMHO sayings such as "Which came first ... ", "Best laid plans ..", "Don't
    throw out the baby with the bath water.", etc. catch on because they convey
    complex meanings with the fewest number of words.

    Science fiction author Robert Heinlein, in one of his books stated
    (paraphrasing here) the "fewer the better". He felt that if a statement
    took five words to say it was too long if three could say the same thing.
    His example was a common saying though rather scatological so I will just
    give the short version ... you will recognize the longer one; "Defecate or
    Abdicate". The meaning comes across as the same. So instead of spouting a
    long monologue of, "If you aren't going to be productive or follow through
    with jobs and tasks that you start, or if you are going to make statements
    and promises you can't back up with actions .... get out, move over, leave
    and let some one else finish or do the job."
     
    In the chicken/egg scenario: the general meaning of cause and effect about a
    given subject can be summed up rather quickly without a thesis.

    SO sayings that convey major philosophical or functional objectives catch
    hold and become part of the everyday lexicon. These types of sayings do fit
    into a definition of memes. I feel they are functional and are self
    serving. These might be called eie-prime memes because they are universal
    and express a social functionality.

    Bruce
    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: Wade T.Smith [SMTP:wade_smith@harvard.edu]
    > Sent: Friday, May 12, 2000 7:41 AM
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    > Subject: Useless memes
    >
    > On 05/12/00 08:02, Vincent Campbell said this-
    >
    > >Mine answer to the question itself would be that eggs came first, because
    > >eggs appeared before chickens evolved. Why it persists? Well I don't
    > know-
    > >another useless meme?
    >
    > Well, of course the egg came first, because, and here's the rub, chickens
    > use sexual reproduction- therefore the chicken is never the same as the
    > egg.
    >
    > Which brings us to why the conundrum remains a conundrum- it's all about
    > sex, the first hinge of all meaning.
    >
    > - Wade
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