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Propaganda can be seen as very usefull, not only to the propagandist but to
the culture and society in which it operates. propaganda (without value
associated) I see as an attribute of the emergent property of groups. its
main purpose (which is different then the intended purpose of the said
propagandist) is the cohesion it creates in a given culture. hence its
usefulness. memes are the discreet entities of propaganda, but its
understanding should be on the meta-system level.
thus propaganda works because it is a glue, cohesive force.
its use to the recipient: giving or creating the feeling (or illusionary
feeling) of being part of a/the group.
Tyger
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From: "Robin Faichney" <robin@faichney.demon.co.uk>
To: <memetics@mmu.ac.uk>
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2000 9:50 AM
Subject: Re: a memetic experiment- an eIe opener
> Chuck wrote:
> >Robin Faichney wrote:
> >>
> >> Is "propagandistic value" the same as, or different from, "usefulness"?
> >>
> >The best person to ask that is your local politician. Far be it for me to
be so
> >pretentious as to know the answer.
>
> Propaganda is obviously of use to the propagandist, but surely your
> model says that a meme won't be picked up unless it is of use to the
> recipient -- in which case, what is propaganda?
>
> --
> Robin Faichney
>
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