Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id OAA09845 (8.6.9/5.3[ref pg@gmsl.co.uk] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk); Mon, 8 May 2000 14:31:13 +0100 Message-ID: <39167B6E.90C75664@mediaone.net> Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 09:31:42 +0100 From: Chuck Palson <cpalson@mediaone.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk Subject: Re: a memetic experiment- an eIe opener References: <20000507225559.AAA12871@camailp.harvard.edu@[204.96.32.101]> <008b01bfb94d$30d44020$03000004@r2z3h3> <39166FEE.6B47C9A5@mediaone.net> <014501bfb95c$e0da5cc0$03000004@r2z3h3> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
Tyger wrote:
> couple of points, Chuck:
> a. I have been doing this experiment for quite some time now (five weeks to
> be precise) and the results at the moment are quite surprising. most indeed
> reject the word on first sight/hear, yet it seems that after a certain
> initial shock (see Wade's yuck response) the word eIe keeps appearing again
> and again, admitedly only for some and at the moment only in written form,
> but I strongly believe that will change through local variation and
> diversification, maybe with changes or mutations of meaning and syntax.
> b. actually I quite agree with your thesis/hypothesis that new words arise
> out of metaphorical use of preexisting verbal entities. however isnt that
> the case for eIe?
> isnt the combination of eye and I (though synthetic in its construct and
> intentionality) a usage of a preexisting accepted norm, combined to form a
> higher whole?
Good point. It's sort of like how some acronyms do make it into the vocabulary.
I will look more closely at your original description of the word.
>
>
> thanks, those comments do help to clarify,
> Tyger
> Tyger@SilkenTiger.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chuck Palson" <cpalson@mediaone.net>
> To: <memetics@mmu.ac.uk>
> Sent: Monday, May 08, 2000 9:42 AM
> Subject: Re: a memetic experiment- an eIe opener
>
> > To answer this question, why not start out with some actual experiments
> among
> > your friends? See if you can try using the word for a few weeks and see if
> it
> > sticks. I will bet you that if you keep using it for months, it will still
> feel
> > too awkward to continue to use in a convincing way. If my prediction comes
> true,
> > you will then have an interesting line of research - which is, why do
> synthetic
> > words never stick (with partial exception of acronyms). Then you might try
> out
> > my hypothesis that new words generally come into existence through
> metaphorical
> > use of preexisting words.
> >
> > At any rate, why not try the experiment.
> >
> > Tyger wrote:
> >
> > > Well said Wade,
> > > that is the issue with verbal representations that we cannot escape
> their
> > > memory though we may desire to negate their very existence. how does one
> say
> > > " I would never use eIe" whilst refraining from using eIe. (and
> remaining
> > > simple)
> > >
> > > Why Wade? why would you never use eIe. pls explain
> > > is it inneficient? is it wrong? is it of a creed you do not accept? does
> the
> > > sound of it makes one cringe? as I work with diverse language
> constructs, I
> > > would be happy to understand your prompt rejection in a deeper manner.
> we,
> > > in the media business have a tendency to use memetic constructs in an
> > > intuitive manner, words for us are playful operations meant to convey
> > > certain facilitation of communication, but eIe understand not all see it
> > > that way.
> > > As I understand memetics to be a realm of the human mind, it cannot be
> that
> > > a rejection (or acceptance) of a certain representation of meaning
> carries
> > > no implications whatsoever.
> > >
> > > best,
> > > Tyger
> > > Tyger@SilkenTiger.com
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Wade T.Smith" <wade_smith@harvard.edu>
> > > To: "Memetics Discussion List" <memetics@mmu.ac.uk>
> > > Sent: Monday, May 08, 2000 12:56 AM
> > > Subject: Re: a memetic experiment- an eIe opener
> > >
> > > > Tyger made this comment not too long ago --
> > > >
> > > > >comments, questions , suggestions, are more than welcome.
> > > >
> > > > I would never use eIe.
> > > >
> > > > - Wade
> > > >
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