Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id OAA09748 (8.6.9/5.3[ref pg@gmsl.co.uk] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk); Mon, 8 May 2000 14:18:27 +0100 Message-ID: <014501bfb95c$e0da5cc0$03000004@r2z3h3> From: "Tyger" <void@internet-zahav.net.il> To: <memetics@mmu.ac.uk> References: <20000507225559.AAA12871@camailp.harvard.edu@[204.96.32.101]> <008b01bfb94d$30d44020$03000004@r2z3h3> <39166FEE.6B47C9A5@mediaone.net> Subject: Re: a memetic experiment- an eIe opener Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 04:18:29 +0200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
couple of points, Chuck:
a. I have been doing this experiment for quite some time now (five weeks to
be precise) and the results at the moment are quite surprising. most indeed
reject the word on first sight/hear, yet it seems that after a certain
initial shock (see Wade's yuck response) the word eIe keeps appearing again
and again, admitedly only for some and at the moment only in written form,
but I strongly believe that will change through local variation and
diversification, maybe with changes or mutations of meaning and syntax.
b. actually I quite agree with your thesis/hypothesis that new words arise
out of metaphorical use of preexisting verbal entities. however isnt that
the case for eIe?
isnt the combination of eye and I (though synthetic in its construct and
intentionality) a usage of a preexisting accepted norm, combined to form a
higher whole?
thanks, those comments do help to clarify,
Tyger
Tyger@SilkenTiger.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chuck Palson" <cpalson@mediaone.net>
To: <memetics@mmu.ac.uk>
Sent: Monday, May 08, 2000 9:42 AM
Subject: Re: a memetic experiment- an eIe opener
> To answer this question, why not start out with some actual experiments
among
> your friends? See if you can try using the word for a few weeks and see if
it
> sticks. I will bet you that if you keep using it for months, it will still
feel
> too awkward to continue to use in a convincing way. If my prediction comes
true,
> you will then have an interesting line of research - which is, why do
synthetic
> words never stick (with partial exception of acronyms). Then you might try
out
> my hypothesis that new words generally come into existence through
metaphorical
> use of preexisting words.
>
> At any rate, why not try the experiment.
>
> Tyger wrote:
>
> > Well said Wade,
> > that is the issue with verbal representations that we cannot escape
their
> > memory though we may desire to negate their very existence. how does one
say
> > " I would never use eIe" whilst refraining from using eIe. (and
remaining
> > simple)
> >
> > Why Wade? why would you never use eIe. pls explain
> > is it inneficient? is it wrong? is it of a creed you do not accept? does
the
> > sound of it makes one cringe? as I work with diverse language
constructs, I
> > would be happy to understand your prompt rejection in a deeper manner.
we,
> > in the media business have a tendency to use memetic constructs in an
> > intuitive manner, words for us are playful operations meant to convey
> > certain facilitation of communication, but eIe understand not all see it
> > that way.
> > As I understand memetics to be a realm of the human mind, it cannot be
that
> > a rejection (or acceptance) of a certain representation of meaning
carries
> > no implications whatsoever.
> >
> > best,
> > Tyger
> > Tyger@SilkenTiger.com
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Wade T.Smith" <wade_smith@harvard.edu>
> > To: "Memetics Discussion List" <memetics@mmu.ac.uk>
> > Sent: Monday, May 08, 2000 12:56 AM
> > Subject: Re: a memetic experiment- an eIe opener
> >
> > > Tyger made this comment not too long ago --
> > >
> > > >comments, questions , suggestions, are more than welcome.
> > >
> > > I would never use eIe.
> > >
> > > - Wade
> > >
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