Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id NAA08434 (8.6.9/5.3[ref pg@gmsl.co.uk] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk); Thu, 23 Mar 2000 13:00:35 GMT Message-ID: <A4400389479FD3118C9400508B0FF230040BC8@DELTA.newhouse.akzonobel.nl> From: "Gatherer, D. (Derek)" <D.Gatherer@organon.nhe.akzonobel.nl> To: "'memetics@mmu.ac.uk'" <memetics@mmu.ac.uk> Subject: RE: objections to "memes" Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 13:48:38 +0100 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
Joe:
It is not necessary to store all negated alternatives in order to store
a proposition (as in Napoleon died in X [and not in Y and not in Z
and not in...]); such consequences are deduced, as necessary
from the original statement.
Derek:
No, that doesn't work. If I store 'Napoleon died in 1821', and then I
deduce from it that 'Napoleon did not die in 1822', then am I storing
'Napoleon did not die in 1822', or not? After all, I am aware of the
proposition 'Napoleon did not die in 1822' (why should I not be aware of
it?, after all as you say I have deduced it), and the theory requires that
we store propositions we are aware of ('calculus of mnemon conjugations'
part 1).
Joe:
It is the single ideation, not all
the proliferent linguistic expressions of it, which would be stored.
Derek:
Why is 'Napoleon died in 1821' an ideation, and 'Napoleon died in [some
other date]' merely a 'proliferent linguistic expression' of it? Either we
store propositions or we don't.
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