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On Thu, 16 Mar 2000, Wade T.Smith wrote:
>On 03/16/00 09:12, Robin Faichney said this-
>
>>But at the same time the concept of the self is a meme, and
>>an extremely successful one, that is "caught" early in life, and I'm
>>convinced
>>that a person who had never interacted with any other person, would not have
>>it.
>
>The _concept_ of the self is certainly a meme,
But given the recursive nature of self-consciousness, can there be a self
without the concept? Can there be recursion without a symbol for what's being
recursed into?
>as the name of the song is
>'The Aged Aged Man.' (And if I'm wrong about that, I'm sure a good
>Carrollian out there will correct me.) But the self itself, well....
>
>Your experiment, while totally unethical and therefore not endorsable,
>has occurred by sad accident, with the 'wild child' discoveries, and,
>from what I remember (completely sketchy though my memory is on this
>point) these wild humans do not underscore your conviction.
Why do you say that?
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