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From: Diana Stevenson <dianaxf@hotmail.com>
To: <memetics@mmu.ac.uk>
Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2000 2:42 AM
Subject: Some questions
> Hi all - as a newbie may I ask some questions??
>
> Much of what's being said about memes seems to resonate with a postmodern
> view of culture - with the exception that memeticists (so far) believe in
> objective truths which can be found out through scientific methods.
>
> I'm wondering - if genes and memes neither know nor care about the truth,
> but *we* do and we have methods of distinguishing truth from falsehood,
> might that not indicate that:
>
> 1) we are more than just genes and memes
> 2) we have superior abilities to genes and memes?
>
> As a great fan of the late Carl Sagan (and particularly "The Demon-Haunted
> World: Science as a Candle in the Dark) I wonder what he would have made
of
> this question. If memes eventually "escape" from us to an independent
> existence, the false ones as well as the true, presumably the devil and
> demons will be among them. This may be evolution, but it hardly seems
like
> progress!!
>Welcome Diana!!
If you want some daft ideas about how memes can eventually "escape" from
us,please be welcome to review my messages:
Re:Monkeys stone herdsman in Kenya/Sunday 12/03/2000
Re:monkeys stone herdsman in Kenya/Saterday 11/03/2000
If you can't retrieve them please let me know,I will send them to you!
Regards,
Kenneth
> Postmodernists on the other hand see a world in which truth is not found,
> but made; systems of belief are tools, as are the transitory "selves"
which
> come into being to meet particular situations and "choose" from the
> cafeteria of cultures. Is this worldview the triumph of the memes? And
if
> not how do memes sit with postmodernism? Any ideas?
>
> Diana
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