Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id VAA04453 (8.6.9/5.3[ref pg@gmsl.co.uk] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk); Sat, 11 Mar 2000 21:26:16 GMT Message-ID: <38CAE3F8.FAB6DA0B@fcol.com> Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 16:25:29 -0800 From: "Robert G. Grimes" <grimes@fcol.com> Organization: Grimes & Grimes, Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk Subject: Proto-meme Was:Re: Monkeys stone herdsman in Kenya References: <1259327788-4347232@smtp.clarityconnect.com> <38CAC5AF.408EB4C6@fcol.com> <009801bf8b99$66c050c0$2d04bfc3@tyger> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
Hey, Tyger, I really like protomeme! Perhaps others would like to comment on
that or suggest others. We have pretty much come to agreement (except for the
behaviorist's G meme type where the behavior is the meme), I think, that the
meme doesn't exist except internally and that the symbology, just like with
other words, is just that, symbology, and doesn't assume active stature again
until back within a nervous system, i.e., in situ. Again, that is where
reproduction by action and mutation due to organic environmental effects would
take place and some of us agree that this is dependent on the vagaries of the
individual nervous system where the meme, in situ, is unique just like other
symbology... Isn't it remarkable that we respond so similarly or understand
words so similarly, etc., etc. Still, they are "close enough for government
work!"
Cordially,
Bob
tyger2 wrote:
> Bob wrote:
> > How about some suggestions, folks
>
> How about...... PROTO_MEMES?
>
> Tyger
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Robert G. Grimes" <grimes@fcol.com>
> To: <memetics@mmu.ac.uk>
> Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2000 11:16 PM
> Subject: Re: Monkeys stone herdsman in Kenya
>
> > Raymond,
> >
> > There have been many descriptions on the list; meme seed, meme husk,
> symbolized
> > meme, meme representation, etc., etc., etc., take your pick or make up a
> new
> > one. I kind of like meme seed, myself, although I started off with
> husk...
> >
> > Inactive meme, nascent meme, idle meme, incomplete meme, and we can go on
> > forever, I believe, and we do need some kind of standard nomenclature for
> it, I
> > think. I'm sure that there is one we haven't thought of in the past...
> >
> > How about some suggestions, folks...
> >
> > Cordially,
> >
> > Bob
> >
> > Raymond Recchia wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > If someone has a meme writes it down in a book and the book sits around
> for
> > > a hundred years before someone picks it and acquires the meme what
> > > terminology do you use to describe the information in the book when no
> one
> > > has the meme in their head? I'm not saying that you have to call it a
> meme
> > > when it is sitting in the book I am curious as to what you would call
> it.
> > >
> >
> > --
> > Bob Grimes
> >
> > http://members.aol.com/bob5266/
> > http://pages.hotbot.com/edu/bobinjax/
> > http://www.phonefree.com/Scripts/cgiParse.exe?sID=28788
> > Jacksonville, Florida
> > Bob5266@aol.com robert.grimes@excite.com bobinjax@hotbot.com
> >
> > Bobgrimes@zdnetonebox.com
> >
> > Man is not in control, but the man who knows he is not in control is more
> > in control...
> >
> > Quoth the Raven, "Nevermore....."
> >
> >
> >
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> >
>
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Man is not in control, but the man who knows he is not in control is more in control...
Quoth the Raven, "Nevermore....."
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