Re: Monkeys stone herdsman in Kenya

From: Mark M. Mills (mmills@htcomp.net)
Date: Sat Feb 26 2000 - 08:51:39 GMT

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    Joe,

    >> Are you suggesting that baboon DNA encodes group rock throwing?
    >>
    >No,...

    Ok. At least we agree on this.

    >.. just the physical ability to throw rocks and the imitative ability
    >to learn from witnessing others...

    By this, I assume you consider 'imitative ability' is encoded in DNA.

    Is that correct?

    >...imitation, in and of
    >itself, does not constitute memesis. Baboons are not consciously
    >self-aware, ... They do not,
    >however, create a novel signification ... and are not modifying
    >them [rocks] into something previously
    >nonexistent... They do not appear
    >to be in possession of plans...

    Based on the above, it seems your definition of 'meme' requires the
    preexistence of

    1. self-awareness
    2. novel signification
    3. planned modification of the environment

    Thus, imitation alone can exist without requiring a memetic support
    system. The memetic support system follows the emergence of
    self-awareness, signing and planning. Turned around a bit, memes are the
    product of self-awareness, signing and planning.

    Am I interpreting this correctly?

    Mark

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