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From: "Richard Brodie" <richard@brodietech.com>
To: <memetics@mmu.ac.uk>
Subject: RE: memetics-digest V1 #130
Date sent: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 10:22:07 -0800
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> One major quibble:
>
> Joe Dees wrote:
>
> <<nor can it be
> denied that the purpose of a message (why we send them) is to
> convey meaning>>
>
> It certainly can be denied. From the message's point of view, its purpose is
> to replicate itself. That is the basis of the memetics model. You can't be
> implying that all our behavior is done out of conscious choice, can you?
>
I can deny that there is such a thing as a meme's point of view at
all; they replicate, but not intentionally - they replicate blindly. We,
who do have points of view, do send messages to convey
meaning, or we do not send them ("send" implying an intentional
action on our parts - inadvertant or accidental messages/signals,
not consciously chosen, may behaviorally originate/emanate from
us, but it was not our intention to "send" them). What other reason
than to convey a meaning to others could we possibly have for
sending them messages?
>
> <<Of course, if you
> deconstruct a system into its component parts, you destroy the
> complex and dynamic recursive interrelations from which self may
> emerge; it's kinda like demolishing a building and studying it brick
> by brick to ascertain that there were never walls or ceiling.>>
>
> Well said.
>
Thank you (and for all your compliments recently).
>
> Richard Brodie richard@brodietech.com www.memecentral.com/rbrodie.htm
>
>
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