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From: "Kenneth Van Oost" <Kenneth.Van.Oost@village.uunet.be>
To: "memetics" <memetics@mmu.ac.uk>
Subject: Re:Meaning in memetics
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> <intentionalities are necessarily involved in memetics>
>
> Correct me if I am wrong (I dont't quite follow the discussion though) but doesn't
> mean (there we are!!) intentionallity also on purpose/wilful/premeditated!?
>
Yes; unintentional intentionality is a contradiction in terms.
>
> Has anyone thought about those implications?
> I mean (here we are again) must we (not) count in a forsight ,or better some
> idea about a future process_a process wherein intentionalities (call them memes
> for my sake) give something,which has none,meaning!?
>
Intentionality signifies what it intends (primordially as THAT which it
intends, i.e. as present to perception/conception).
>
> Or is this to be discussed elsewhere!?
>
This venue is fine for me.
>
> And please,gentlemen,stop nagging at eachother! This is a discussion-list,project
> your ideological hates on something outside this list...we have work to do if we
> ever will find the foundations of memetics.
> Thank you all!!
>
My criticisms are directed at the importation of ideological/religious
reductionistic assumptions into the attempt to derive a memetic
ontology, an importation which is unjustified (and, in my opinion,
unjustifiable) and which saddles the effort with unnecessary,
superfluous, obfuscating and hindering baggage.
>.
> Regards,
>
> Kenneth
>
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