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Subject: Re: What are memes made of?
From: William van den Heuvel <heuvel@muc.de>
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> William van den heuvel:
> >> If you like to think in terms of "stances" then you could say
> >> information as matter is the "physical stance", and information as
> >> data is the "formal stance". But now I am tempted to suggest the
> >> introduction of an additional stance; information as meaning, which
> >> would be the "meaning stance".
>
>
> Robin Faichney:
> > The "meaning stance" is a great idea, but it's already been had: this is
> > effectively the same as Dennett's "intentional stance" -- see his book of
> > that name.
>
>
> Unfortunately, I don't have much time to read books so I don't know if
> Dennett gives a special meaning to 'intention'. But going by the common
> usage of the word 'intention', I would be inclined to say that meaning comes
> prior to intention in the sense that the intention seems to flows out of the
> meaning. In my view, meaning implies significance, value and purpose all of
> which give rise to an intention. If that view is correct then intention
> would depend on meaning in which case the "meaning stance" comes prior to
> the "intentional stance".
>
> So, if you like to bring in the "intentional stance" it would have to follow
> the "meaning stance". Hence, we now have four stances:
> 1.- the physical stance
> 2.- the formal stance
> 3.- the meaning stance
> 4.- the intentional stance
>
Meaning and intention are co-primordial in the sense that there
must be meaning differences for there to be selective intention, but
selective intention is necessary to imbue particular meanings. For
every intention, there must be both an intending applied to an
intended, and an intender; for every meaning (noun) there must be
both a meaning (verb) applied to a meant, and a meaner.
>
>
> William van den Heuvel
> heuvel@muc.de
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