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William van den heuvel:
>> If you like to think in terms of "stances" then you could say
>> information as matter is the "physical stance", and information as
>> data is the "formal stance". But now I am tempted to suggest the
>> introduction of an additional stance; information as meaning, which
>> would be the "meaning stance".
Robin Faichney:
> The "meaning stance" is a great idea, but it's already been had: this is
> effectively the same as Dennett's "intentional stance" -- see his book of
> that name.
Unfortunately, I don't have much time to read books so I don't know if
Dennett gives a special meaning to 'intention'. But going by the common
usage of the word 'intention', I would be inclined to say that meaning comes
prior to intention in the sense that the intention seems to flows out of the
meaning. In my view, meaning implies significance, value and purpose all of
which give rise to an intention. If that view is correct then intention
would depend on meaning in which case the "meaning stance" comes prior to
the "intentional stance".
So, if you like to bring in the "intentional stance" it would have to follow
the "meaning stance". Hence, we now have four stances:
1.- the physical stance
2.- the formal stance
3.- the meaning stance
4.- the intentional stance
William van den Heuvel
heuvel@muc.de
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