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From: Robin Faichney <robin@faichney.demon.co.uk>
Organization: Reborn Technology
To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
Subject: Re: More on what memes are made of
Date sent: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 13:55:30 +0000
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> On Thu, 03 Feb 2000, Joe E. Dees wrote:
> >An arrow is both more substantial (being, after all, composed of
> >substance) and more real than a trajectory, which is dependent
> >upon the arrow for its existence, and not vice-versa.
>
> Please define "substance". And, explain how the trajectory's dependence upon
> the arrow is different from the arrow's dependence on its molecules.
>
For you, of course, the world is no more real than the mind; in fact,
you'd be hard-pressed to admit that ANYTHING was real, thus
stripping all meaning from both reality and its correlative opposite,
unreality. "Substance" is that which possesses the properties of
extension and duration in spatiotemporality. BTW, I consider
energy to be as substantial as matter, since they are convertible
into each other. It takes many many molecules to make an arrow,
but they actually can MAKE one (as well as many other things);
whereas one arrow can support a trajectory, but a million arrows
cannot MAKE one.
>
> >A trajectory abstracted from its physical instantiation in arrowflight is an
> >ideal...
>
> But It's not abstracted -- I'm talking about the physical instantiation.
>
The instantiation of what? Are you maintaining that the word
"trajectory" has no abstract general meaning for you apart from a
specific instantiation? Or do you dislike the fact that such a
generalized abstraction, lacking an instantiating arrow, is an ideal
construct bereft of any concrete reality (unlike the arrow which
continues to be real without any trajectory whatsoever)?
> --
> Robin Faichney
>
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