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--On Mon, 24 Jan 2000 08:06:14 Bruce Jones wrote: >Kenneth: > >Evidentially not as new as some of us. > >Let me try to restate what you have stated/asked. > >Change is promulgated by a redefinition, refinement, and combination of old >with new. > >In other words.... A thought, philosophy, or cultural shift in what is >acceptable or deemed by the whole as required, is brought about by a >reexamination of what has been. Change is the natural and expected result >of social, environmental, predatory, and technological pressure. Therefore >any paradigm shift is a result of a mimetic shift. To believe and act today >as was believed and acted 50, 100, 500, 1000 years ago can not be done >because of 'evolutionary' shifts in thought, thought processes, ideologies, >and cultural advances. > >Is this what you asked/said? > > I notice you've avoided morphic resonance and formative causation. I believe Kenneth was introducing Rupert Sheldrake's ideas to us as something which may coincide with or be pertinent to memetics. This does not set very well with me. Should memetics embrace Sheldrake?
Go to http://www.sheldrake.org and make up your own mind. Note though that the concept of morphogenetic fields is separable from Sheldrake's theoretical system and the baggage he adds.
Have fun,
Scott
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