Re: evolution

From: Scott Chase (
Date: Mon 09 Dec 2002 - 23:29:11 GMT

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    >From: "Grant Callaghan" <>
    >Subject: Re: evolution
    >Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 13:35:13 -0800
    >>On Monday, December 9, 2002, at 12:04 PM, Grant Callaghan wrote:
    >>>I think we have to define memetic evolution as Lamarkian for two reasons:
    >>>1) the "seed" of an idea is broadcast to everyone withing seeing or
    >>>hearing distance rather than selectively passed to just one individual,
    >>>which these days means everyone watching TV, going to school, reading the
    >>>same book or reading this list, etc., etc. and 2) the meme which is
    >>>picked up by various members of the public does not produce a faithful
    >>>reproduction of the meme that was spread in the broadcast. There is too
    >>>much variation for it to be a Darwinian type reproduction and evolution.
    >>Each performance is goal-oriented (aka lamarckian) (the performance
    >>itself, as far as the performer is concerned, is only a goal, but the
    >>performance itself is only half of the equation of culture), yes, but,
    >>each replication may only have the goal of replication itself, so, while
    >>lamarckianism might be a fair analyzation of some individuals' memetic
    >>processes, I don't think cultural evolution itself demands lamarckian
    >>mechanisms, at all.
    >>And, evolutionary mechanisms are not presumed to be individual's
    >>mechanisms, are they, regardless of the agency within evolution of
    >>- Wade
    >If Mr. Darwin were still around, I'd ask him. But then I can't ask Lamark
    >for the same reason.
    Well if he's not too busy with thesis work, I'm sure Mr. Wilkins will be chiming in on you mates as this this happens to be his area of expertise.

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