From: "Aaron Agassi" <agassi@erols.com>
To: <memetics@mmu.ac.uk>
Subject: RE: i-memes and m-memes
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 06:57:37 -0400
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> From: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk [mailto:fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk]On Behalf
> Of Gatherer, D. (Derek)
> Sent: Thursday, September 02, 1999 6:06 AM
> To: 'memetics@mmu.ac.uk'
> Subject: RE: i-memes and m-memes
>
>
> > Derek:
> > I was looking for a noun, not an adjective. What noun would you use to
> > describe something that successfully replicates????
>
> Aaron:
> I'd use a noun to denote what a thing is, distinguishing it from other
> things, not for what has been done with said thing that has been done with
> other different things. A thing that self replicates is a self replicator.
> Probably an animal or a plant. But memetic replication is that of
> a passive
> replicatee, memetically replicated by the active agent of consciousness.
> Even behavior, which is an activity, is at best a memetic transmission. An
> observer, a replicater, perceives, receptively, and replicates the meme,
> just as with any other phenomena or objects. Memes are passive parasites,
> anywhere outside the mind. There are no memetic replicators.
>
> Derek:
> This is just a pedantic distinction betwen replicatOR and
> replicatED.
Not at all! Not until nanotechnology will artifacts manufacture themselves.
And I can scarcely conceive how thoughts will ever think themselves.
>We've
> had this out endlessly on this list and it's an inconsequential
> distinction.
Don't be so sure. Nothing happens without the active agents.
> You're still evading the point. What is the replicator/replicated in
> cultural evolution?
Everything except nature.
>
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