Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id XAA19981 (8.6.9/5.3[ref pg@gmsl.co.uk] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk); Wed, 13 Feb 2002 23:18:09 GMT X-Originating-IP: [209.240.222.132] From: "Scott Chase" <ecphoric@hotmail.com> To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk Subject: RE: ply to Grant Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 18:12:36 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: <F214VOYbB2mBMUKUVyA00017d68@hotmail.com> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Feb 2002 23:12:37.0006 (UTC) FILETIME=[ED030AE0:01C1B4E3] Sender: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
>From: "Grant Callaghan" <grantc4@hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
>To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
>Subject: RE: ply to Grant
>Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 09:07:17 -0800
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>>To: "Memetics Discussion List" <memetics@mmu.ac.uk>
>>Subject: RE: ply to Grant
>>Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 00:54:59 -0500
>>
>>Hi Ray Recchia -
>>
>> >that conveniently allow him to justify the actions of an unjust
>> >government.
>>
>>We all swim in this same river. Or we'd all be moving, all the time.
>>
>>No-one has a just government.
>>
>>We all justify quite a lot, daily living.
>>
>>- Wade
>>
>Governments don't do what they (the people who run them) think is just or
>unjust. They do what is expedient based on the problems confronting them
>at
>the time. The most common problem for a politician is getting elected
>again. It's the historians who decide after the fact that what they did
>was
>just or unjust. Jesus isn't around to run anyone's government and the
>church he left behind is just as messed up as any other government.
>They're
>still carrying on the policies of Constantine some 1500 years later.
>
>
>
Expedience? Hmmm...
Trying to unravel the details of the apparent collusion between France,
Israel and Britain previous to the hostilities of the Suez war in 1956, I
wonder how much pragmatics and expedience played a role.
Supposedly a document came to light in 1996 that adds a little petrol to the
fire (the Protocol of Sevres). The only scholarly journal article I've found
so far is by Avi Shlaim.
I guess the U.S. isn't the only imperialist nation in the world. We learned
well from the masters.
ref:
Shlaim A. 1997. The Protocol of Sevres, 1956: anatomy of a war plot.
International Affairs (73): 509-530
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