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At 06:05 PM 11/02/02 -0500, you wrote:
>In a message dated 2/10/2002 11:23:12 AM Central Standard Time, Keith Henson
><hkhenson@cogeco.ca> [writes in thread Re: Memes Meta-Memes and Politics 1 of
>3 (1988, updates 2002)]:
>
> > [Not to detract from Dawkins, but as I have dug deeper into the subject,
> > Dawkins himself recognized William Hamilton as more of an original
> > thinker. For certain though, Dawkins made the work of Hamilton, William,
> > Trivers and a host of other players available to ordinary people with his
> > popular works.]
>
>Hi Keith.
>
>Credit for evolutionary replicator theory should also go to F.T. Cloak, whose
>1973 paper developed evolutionary replicator theory for both biological
>molecules and culture. The paper not only develops evolutionary cultural
>replicator theory, but also evolutionary biological replicator theory.
>
>I take it that giving Dawkins credit for popularizing is not meant to detract
>from Cloak, Hamilton, Trivers, etc. either.
No, and these guys are all very careful about giving credit. Dawkins even
credited me in the Second Ed. of Selfish Gene for the word memeoid and its
definition.
I *think* I have made significant advances in some areas largely due to my
unfortunate and intimate experiences with the scientology cult. The cult
fight led into me happening to get the input that caused me (with some
help) to connect drugs and cults. That led to the insight that cults are
using the same attention-endorphin reward pathway hijacked by drugs..
It happens that my slightly later figuring out capture-bonding or Stockholm
Syndrome as an evolved response and some of the places *that* leads may
have been done first by John Tooby, but I don't think he published. I have
asked him in email, but no answer back yet.
There are excellent reasons, rooted in the days when we were hunting for
meat rather than knowledge, to be very careful to properly acknowledging
contributions. It was really necessary to credit the guy who scared the
game into your snare or where you could spear it if you wanted him to do it
again. :-)
Along those line when I am mentioning that Dawkins named cultural elements
memes, I mention that Arel Lucas, my wife, suggested "memetics" as the name
for the study of memes and the interaction of memes with their hosts.
Keith Henson
PS, Arel was on this list in the early days.
PPS, cut from the Analog article of 1987
Memetics comes from "meme" (which rhymes with "cream"), a word
coined in purposeful analogy to gene by Richard Dawkins in his 1976
book, _The Selfish Gene_. To understand memes, you must have a good
understanding of the modern concepts of evolution, and this is a good
source. In its last chapter, memes were defined as replicating
information patterns that use minds to get themselves copied much as a
virus uses cells to get itself copied. (Dawkins credits several
others for developing the concepts, especially the anthropologist F.
T. Cloak.) Like genes, memes are pure information.*
[*The essence of a gene is in its information. It is still a gene
"for hemoglobin" or "for waltzing behavior in mice" whether the
sequence is coded in DNA, printed on paper, or is written on
magnetic tape.]
They must be
perceived indirectly, most often by their effect on behavior or by
material objects that result from behavior. Humans are not the only
creatures that pass memes about. Bird songs that are learned (and
subject to variation) and the songs of whales are also replicating
information pattern that fit the model of a meme. So is the
"termiteing" behavior that chimps pass from generation to generation.
"Meme" is similar to "idea," but not all ideas are memes. A
passing idea which you do not communicate to others, or one which
fails to take root in others, falls short of being a meme. The
important part of the "meme about memes" is that memes are subject to
adaptive evolutionary forces very similar to those that select for
genes. That is, their variation is subject to selection in the
environment provided by human minds, communication channels, and the
vast collection of cooperating and competing memes that make up human
culture. The analogy is remarkably close. For example, genes in cold
viruses that cause sneezes by irritating noses spread themselves by
this route to new hosts and become more common in the gene pool of a
cold virus. Memes cause those they have successfully infected to
spread the meme by both direct methods (proselytizing) and indirect
methods (such as writing). Such memes become more common in the
culture pool.
The entire topic would be academic except that there are two
levels of evolution (genes and memes) involved and the memetic level
is only loosely coupled to the genetic. Memes which override genetic
survival, such as those which induce young Lebanese Shiites to blow
themselves "into the next world" from the front seat of a truck loaded
with high explosives, or induce untrained Iranians to volunteer to
charge Iraqi machine guns, or the WW II Kamikaze "social movement" in
Japan, are all too well known. I have proposed the term "memeoid" for
people whose behavior is so strongly influenced by a replicating
information pattern (meme) that their survival becomes inconsequential
in their own minds.
(examples)
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