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<Some individuals will have more influence on the process than
others. Deny it if you will, but memes don't spread in a vacuum. People
are the
> environment in which they compete.>
>
We must be talking at cross purposes, because essentially this is
precisely what I was saying- cultural change does not happen in a vacuum, as
a result of the deliberate activities of particular individuals. Whether
particular individuals become associated with cultural change, be it Jesus,
Marx or Bill Gates, has in reality very little to do with those individuals.
Would Karl Marx see anything recognisable in Castro or Zemin?
<If you feel that is agrandizing someone, we see it differently.>
Who's the "we" here?
Vincent
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