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Edward O. Wilson
Interviewed by Paul D. Thacker
        
Posted February 1, 2002 · Issue 119
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Background
Biography
        Edward O. Wilson sprang onto the national scene after 
writing Sociobiology: The New Synthesis. The work charged that 
genetics shapes the behavior of all animals including humans, a 
controversially conservative thesis. During one scientific 
meeting, a demonstrator dumped a pitcher of water on his head, 
saying, "Wilson, you're all wet!" Margaret Mead declared during 
another meeting, "We are talking about book burning." Meanwhile, 
Steven Jay Gould began an assault in the New York Review of 
Books.
Wilson later wrote in his memoir, "When I had ideas that seemed 
provocative, I paraded them like a subaltern riding the 
regimental colors along the enemy line." His response to critics 
was On Human Nature, which won the Pulitzer Prize in 1979. He 
won another Pulitzer for The Ants in 1990, along the way picking 
up a National Medal of Science award, numerous honorary degrees, 
and the Crafoord Prize, an award from the Royal Swedish Academy 
of Science for disciplines not covered by the Nobel Prize.
In his last book, Consilience: The Unity of Knowledge, he 
unified under a small number of natural laws many disparate 
fields of learning. His latest book is The Future of Life.
Throughout this grand adventure, Wilson remains that most 
strangest of birds, an academic whose childlike curiosity puts 
him equally at ease in both science and the humanities.
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You've written around two dozen books. Why did you decide to 
focus on the environment this time?
This has been my main concern all along. In some ways, 
Consilience was written to try to change the intellectual 
landscape, to try to move biology and the need for preserving 
the biosphere close to center stage for intellectual concerns in 
the academy as well as public policy. So this book is designed 
as an extended essay - easily read - to present a global picture 
on biodiversity: how much there is, how we're exploring it, how 
fast it's disappearing, why it's disappearing, what will be the 
multiple costs to humanity, and what we can do to save it.
You once wrote the world is "drowning in information, while 
starving for wisdom." Won't this book just reiterate what we 
already know about how bad the environment is?
I bring various subjects up to date, a 230-page dispatch from 
the frontline of biodiversity research and conservation. This 
matter is vital to the human condition. Among the themes are the 
estimates of our planets biodiversity. Probably only 10 percent 
of species is now known. And the discovery of new species is 
occurring at an accelerated pace, such as new species discovered 
in deep ocean vents. This was the discovery of a whole layer of 
bacteria and fungus that are self-sufficient at depths of two 
miles or more.
Also, one of the unusual features of this book is the final 
chapter called "The Solution," where I review what is happening 
around the world in global and national conservation 
organizations that may be capable of turning the tide.
So what is the solution?
Economic policy and science will be important. Religion will 
also play a major role as increasing numbers of religious 
leaders and thinkers begin turning to the environment and 
especially the preservation of the biosphere as a central issue 
of their ministry. And so this is what The Future of Life is all 
about.
How fast is the extinction rate?
The estimates coming from two different ways, and a third which 
is consistent with these, show that we are seeing doomed to 
early extinction about 1 percent of species a year. That's based 
on the best studied groups, vertebrates and flowering plants. We 
don't even know what the rate is for other groups, like insects 
for instance.
Why have we only discovered 10 percent of known species?
Using the old-fashioned methods of exploring, collecting then 
identifying and describing - the Linnaen classification - is 
very laborious and slow. For example, I just finished and am 
publishing next year a monogram that gives a detailed 
classification and all the biological knowledge we have for some 
625 species of ants, making up 20 percent of the ant species in 
the western hemisphere. Off and on, this took up twelve years of 
my time.
You're considered the world expert on ants, yet it's taken over 
a decade publish this information on new species. Did you 
discover all these yourself?
The majority of these are new to science and some of them I 
discovered myself. There have been few experts on a whole group 
of organisms since the time of Linnaeus, some 250 years ago. In 
the second half of the twentieth century, when the whole process 
of exploration and discovery could have been speeded up, we had 
the molecular revolution, and exploration in biodiversity was 
slowed proportionately. It's been marginalized in academic 
biology and given very little support. That's beginning to 
change now, and this is part of the whole issue of biodiversity.
Thanks to the revolution in genomics and in bioinformatics - 
computer based access of genetic information including digitized 
images of specimens - I figure we can speed up the exploration, 
description, and analysis of the world's biodiversity by as much 
as 100-fold.
We're doing this interview over a phone, and people are going to 
read it on a computer. I sometimes wonder whether all this 
technology so divorces us from nature that we no longer value 
it. . . .
I see your point. Let me read you a passage from my book where 
I'm speaking apostrophically with Thoreau about exactly this 
idea.
In order to pass through the bottleneck, a global land ethic is 
needed. Not just any land ethic, that might happen to enjoy 
agreeable sentiment, but one based on the best understanding of 
ourselves and the world around us that science and technology 
can provide.
Surely the rest of life matters. Surely our stewardship is the 
only hope. It would be wise to listen carefully to the heart and 
act with all rational intention and all the tools we can bring 
to bear. Henry, my friend, thank you for putting the first 
element of that ethic into place. Now it's up to us to summon a 
more encompassing wisdom.
The living world is dying and the natural economy is crumbling 
beneath our living feet. We have been too self absorbed to 
forsee the long-term consequences of our actions and we will 
suffer a terrible loss unless we shake off our delusions and 
move quickly to a solution. Science and technology led us into 
this bottleneck. Now science and technology must help us find a 
way through.
Can we now be the wiser, beyond where you were, Henry? For you 
here at Walden Pond, the lamentation of the morning dove and the 
green frogs calling across the predawn water were the true 
reasons for saving this place. For us, it is an exact knowledge 
of what that truth is, all that it implies and how to employ it 
for the best effect.
There are a number of conservationists who would have problems 
with these ideas.
This is true. There is an ongoing conflict between a very 
conservative school of conservationist, the primitivists, who 
think we have to return to the Earth and change our economy and 
technology radically. Then there are those who agree with the 
position that I take: that we have to turn the juggernaut. 
Instead of diminishing our advances in science and technology, 
we have to use these advances to find a way to save the rest of 
life.
University science is so money driven today that it's hard to 
find pure ecologists. I mean, how do you convert the natural 
history of sand flea into a patent that generates department 
royalties?
That's true. That happened particularly in the last 50 years as 
ecology and biodiversity studies were marginalized. On the other 
hand, they are beginning to come back and conservation biology 
is the fastest growing science in terms of your people entering 
the field and positions becoming available. So it's beginning to 
turn around.
But even research in the tropics isn't about saving the rain 
forest, it's about finding a new pharmaceutical.
Sure, and there are some people who only see science as a means 
to make money. But that's only one argument that can be used to 
support saving species: the utilitarian argument. And I don't 
hesitate to use it. When I'm talking to a group of conservative 
thinkers who are business people, I put that up front to get 
their attention. Then there are two major arguments that should 
always be coupled to that first one. One is the necessity of 
having natural ecosystems: the natural economy as opposed to the 
market economy.
What is a natural economy?
The natural economy is the services provided by the natural 
ecosystems of the world including purification of water, 
maintenance of the atmosphere, production of soil. . . . All of 
this is free. You don't get a bill for it at the end of the 
month.
How much money is this?
A group of economists and biologists estimated that, for fiscal 
year 1997, these services came to 33 trillion. All free, and 
greater than all the national gross products in the world 
combined.
What is your third argument?
The third can be called - I hope I'm not using too broad a 
word - spirituality. The moral argument, something that I hope 
we can all agree upon. I think virtually every thoughtful 
person, whether a fundamentalist or secular humanist, can agree 
that there is something morally wrong in destroying what 
scientists call the "biosphere" and what religious people call 
the "creation." It's an overwhelming moral argument backed by 
the precepts of most religions, but also by the conception that 
this is the world we have evolved in and to which we are well 
suited.
The new evidence coming in shows that we are innately attracted 
to the diversity of life and natural environments. Even if you 
are locked up in a city in front of a computer, you need it.
Even New York City has Central Park.
Exactly. I was once in the penthouse of a very wealthy friend 
overlooking Central Park and telling him how the ideal human 
environment has been worked out through surveys from people 
around the world. Given a choice people will complete their 
habitation by choosing a precipice overlooking a savannah, next 
to a body of water. And I took great pleasure in pointing this 
out to my friend, pointing to the features in Central Park. God 
knows what he paid for that place, but he had to agree with me.
What is the importance of spirituality in your life? Are you 
religious at all?
In a purely spiritual sense. I believe there are some precepts 
that exist which we should consider unbreakable, and there are 
certain aspects of our environment and relationships with other 
people that are essentially sacred. Not in a theistic sense, but 
something that is regarded with a great reverence. And within 
all these we find an aesthetic and emotional experiences that 
are deep and very satisfying. So that is what I mean by 
spirituality.
You once said that you like to think of yourself as a "southern 
writer who got detoured into science." To most people the idea 
of scientist and writer sounds contradictory.
Just the opposite. To be a good writer, of nonfiction at least, 
you have to think clearly, to express yourself clearly. And 
that's exactly what science is. The best scientists are the ones 
who think clearly, at least about the subject they are focused 
on. And they are generally people who can express very clearly 
what they are working on.
But the writing gets lost in jargon.
Now they may have completely immersed themselves in the 
necessary technical language because that is where you get 
precision. Technical language is not meant to obfuscate, not 
among real scientists; it's meant to gain precision. So you get 
all these exactly designed terms for clarity of expression. Now 
if you work broadly, like I do, then you're likely to speak 
clearly in a language that a large number of people can 
understand. There's no distinction between [science and writing] 
at all.
Mentioning the South, how did that environment shape you and how 
has it changed?
Certainly, I was shaped by the environment of Alabama for a 
couple of reasons. Growing up an only child and moving about 
frequently, I had a much larger dose of natural history and 
boyhood exploration. This really bonded me to nature and made me 
decide that I wanted to be an entomologist when I was only nine 
years old.
My forebears in Alabama go way back, pre-Civil War, and Mobile 
is what I consider my hometown. A great deal of this area is 
unchanged. Alabama has not undergone the type of population 
growth and land conversion that many Southern states have, 
although when I was growing up, it was already an ecologically 
devastated state. For example, the magnificent long leaf pine 
that stretched all the way from the Carolinas to Texas had been 
largely cut. Even back then, they were down to 1 percent left of 
the original forest. As a college student, I would go into these 
areas that had been cut at the turn of the century, and they 
were all second growth. So today there hasn't been a great deal 
of change in Alabama, although the pressures are growing.
I go back to Alabama frequently. I work with the Nature 
Conservancy and I've often spoken about the magnificent 
environment of Alabama and the need to conserve it.
So your book talks about the future of life, but what is the 
future of Ed Wilson?
I'm 72 and in good health. I'm hoping to work in basic research 
and spend a large amount of time on the global conservation 
movement. I'm on the board of three of the major global 
conservation groups and I lecture and consult a great deal in 
this field. I find this an exciting time to be alive in this 
movement. Things are beginning to pick up and we might be able 
to come up with solutions for many of these places in the world 
where biodiversity is most at risk.
Paul D. Thacker is a freelance journalist who lives above a 
pizzeria in Jersey City. He spends most of his time worrying 
that he is slowly becoming a character in Spike Lee's movie Do 
The Right Thing.
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