Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id HAA19717 (8.6.9/5.3[ref pg@gmsl.co.uk] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk); Wed, 6 Feb 2002 07:57:56 GMT Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 23:52:10 -0800 Message-Id: <200202060752.g167qAA17299@mail3.bigmailbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.116) X-Originating-Ip: [66.156.194.113] From: "Joe Dees" <joedees@addall.com> To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk Subject: Re: Abstractism Sender: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk('binary' encoding is not supported, stored as-is)
> "Scott Chase" <ecphoric@hotmail.com> memetics@mmu.ac.uk Re: AbstractismDate: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 00:09:07 -0500
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>>From: "Joe Dees" <joedees@addall.com>
>>Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
>>To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
>>Subject: Re: Abstractism
>>Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 18:25:55 -0800
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>> >Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 17:24:44 -0500
>> > Re: Abstractism "Wade T.Smith" <wade_smith@harvard.edu>
>>memetics@mmu.ac.ukReply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
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>> >On Saturday, February 2, 2002, at 11:42 , Grant Callaghan wrote:
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>> >> The Rorschach test conveys information to some of the people who see
>> >> it, even though no information was transmitted.
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>> >> Transmitting an idea is a complicated process that goes far beyond
>> >> keying words onto a surface for someone to read.
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>> >And there you have the cup and the lip.
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>> >Of course, there's a real problem in you saying that the Rorschach test
>> >has no information to transmit. First off, it's man-made. That's a big
>> >'duh'. (Okay, it's made by psychologists- you have a point. What real
>> >information have any of them ever come up with, after all....) And
>> >anything non-chaotic and procedural has information, and the Rorschach
>> >tests are always symmetrical designs- far from informationlessness.
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>>Left-right symmetricality and color (black on white) would seem to be the
>>only thing that individual rorshach blots have in common.
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>Don't people tend to impose some sort of pattern on them blots though? I
>know I've looked at some interestingly shaped clouds before.
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Of course they do, but the imposition (as the word implies) is from within, and interfaces the imposer's perspective upon the random and meaninless stimulus (or so the analyst hopes).
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>I'm not saying the typical usage of the ink blots is valid, just
>(self-referentially?) reflecting on the capacity we may have to see stuff
>that ain't really there, like when a friend of mine once pointed out that a
>smallish tree (or shrub?) on the side of the road looked slightly like
>Freddy Krueger in a certain angle of the streetlight as we passed by in a
>car.
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Yep, that's it; those who had not seen the movies would lack the internal wherewithal with which to make the imposition.
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