Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id EAA15792 (8.6.9/5.3[ref pg@gmsl.co.uk] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk); Tue, 5 Feb 2002 04:50:59 GMT X-Originating-IP: [209.240.222.132] From: "Scott Chase" <ecphoric@hotmail.com> To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk Subject: Re: The Tipping Point, perspective Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 23:45:13 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: <F3113ednHM3SOlbpH710001be20@hotmail.com> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Feb 2002 04:45:13.0707 (UTC) FILETIME=[E66A33B0:01C1ADFF] Sender: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
>From: "Wade T.Smith" <wade_smith@harvard.edu>
>Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
>To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
>Subject: Re: The Tipping Point, perspective
>Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 23:02:51 -0500
>
>On Monday, February 4, 2002, at 09:23 , Joe Dees wrote:
>
>>The question is : Does he consider the evolution of brain complexity
>>beyond the Godelian threshhold that allows for self-reference to itself
>>be a tipping point permitting the creation and evolution of culture? I
>>do.
>
>Ah. Now, please, (don't complain), expand 'Godelian threshold' to a
>nine-year old's level of understanding, and I'll have something to ask.
>Mostly, because if he doesn't know what a Godelian threshold is, I know
>I couldn't explain it....
>
>
I thought you were older than that. You sure are a smart cookie for your
age.
Every time I see a thread with Godelian self-reference mentioned I tend to
dive behind the nearest source of shelter, not unlike the guy on that Monty
Python movie (Meaning of Life?) after he offers the gluttonous guy an after
dinner mint (I know I'm horribly misremembering this one).
That and anything with "quantum" or "Heisenberg uncertainty" in it are sure
to be long winded when found on usenet or other forums.
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