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From: Vincent Campbell <v.p.campbell@stir.ac.uk>
Subject: RE: Islam's Captive Women
Name me a religion that doesn't oppress women (or men for that matter)<
Atheism. It is impossible. to my mind, to prove or disprove the existence of
god, so Atheism is a religion of sorts. This does not stop the
sociobiologists from from asssigning *roles* :-)
>BTW, can you remind me of the piece you posted a couple of weeks back
(I've
lost it in the mire of posts lately) that was talking about democracy,
or
the lack of it, in the Islamic world. I vaguely recall that the author
went
on about Switzerland and Hong Kong as great examples of the benefits of
democracy. I want to check it again to see if I'm remembering that
right,
because Hong Kong under British rule was never a democracy (indeed the
last
governor-general Chris Patten quite upset the Chinese by trying to
introduce
it before the handover in 1997).
Keep these interesting pieces coming though.
Vincent
I wan't the author, but you are correct Vincent, the UK only introduced
some democracy as the handover to China approached. This may have been to
make the withdrawl of the UK easier and to slow the flight of some of the
important buisnessmen etc from the colony, again to make it easier for the
handover.
With regard to the Swiss, they do indeed have an enviable representative
democracy - if you are Swiss. Untill recently, the words *Swiss bank
account* and *annonymity* in world finances were synonymous. cf the furore
surrounding the holocaust etc.
BTW, interesting piece in the Times (UK) supplement re Iran and the
comparison with other muslim thoecracies. The discusions on the list do
not have appeared to fully reflected the many nuances that relates to muslim
worship (and i have to admit my own ignorance here). If i can find the info
on this i will post it
Steve
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