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In a message dated 2/3/2002 6:07:21 AM Central Standard Time,
jeremyb@nor.com.au writes:
> Subj: Re: Selfish meme?
> Date: 2/3/2002 6:07:21 AM Central Standard Time
> From: jeremyb@nor.com.au (Jeremy Bradley)
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> To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
>
> At 10:29 AM 25/01/02 EST, you wrote:
> >In a message dated 1/25/2002 8:46:16 AM Central Standard Time,
> >AaronLynch@aol.com writes:
> >
> >It's probably worth noting that the Enronism in business had a major
effect
>
> >on politics. Without Enron, George W. Bush would probably not have won
the
> >presidential race. (Even the Republican primary is a big question mark.)
> >Arguably, the executives at Enron were acting as American oligarchs.
> >
> >The whole thing carries over into science as well, since the president of
> the
> >USA has enormous influence on the science and education budgets in this
> >country. There are real consequences to the lack of effective scrutiny
and
> >real accountability enjoyed for so long by Enron.
> >
> >--Aaron Lynch
> >
> Dear Aaron
> You raise an interesting point. Will the selfish collusion between
> corporation and president which resulted in the rejection of greenhouse gas
> emission controls (the Kyoto protocol), be seen as a crime against humanity
> by future generations? Residents of low-lying nations are terrified by
> USAnian excesses in energy consumption. Will Bush and Enron therefore one
> day be seen as environmental and economic terrorists?
> Time changes perceptions. Nelson Mandella served time as a terrorist, then
> became a president. Think about it. Is the inverse possible? Will Bush be
> able to convince us that he did not have corrupt business relations with
> Enron which may endanger millions of lives and efect many generations?
> Jeremy
Hi Jeremy.
Perhaps the most dangerous thing done by current US political leadership is
so dangerous that that it cannot be publicly discussed without worsening the
danger. However, if the worst dangers to humanity are averted, then in my
opinion the rejection of the Kyoto treaty may well be seen as grossly selfish
and myopic by future generations suffering environnmental disasters.
I may have chewed off more than I can bite by taking on the subject of how
beliefs spread, and will therefore not go on at lenght expressing my opinions
about policy and politics.
--Aaron Lynch
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