Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id AAA10667 (8.6.9/5.3[ref pg@gmsl.co.uk] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk); Sun, 3 Feb 2002 00:24:54 GMT X-Originating-IP: [137.110.248.206] From: "Grant Callaghan" <grantc4@hotmail.com> To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk Subject: Re: Abstractism Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2002 16:19:12 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: <LAW2-F44sL1c00goZol00017189@hotmail.com> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Feb 2002 00:19:12.0622 (UTC) FILETIME=[680A68E0:01C1AC48] Sender: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
>
>On Saturday, February 2, 2002, at 11:42 , Grant Callaghan wrote:
>
>>The Rorschach test conveys information to some of the people who see
>>it, even though no information was transmitted.
>
>>Transmitting an idea is a complicated process that goes far beyond
>>keying words onto a surface for someone to read.
>
>And there you have the cup and the lip.
>
>Of course, there's a real problem in you saying that the Rorschach test
>has no information to transmit. First off, it's man-made. That's a big
>'duh'. (Okay, it's made by psychologists- you have a point. What real
>information have any of them ever come up with, after all....) And
>anything non-chaotic and procedural has information, and the Rorschach
>tests are always symmetrical designs- far from informationlessness.
>
>- Wade
The way I understand it, Mr. Rorschach just spilled some ink on a piece of
paper and folder it over with no intention of transmitting a message. He
was creating a convenient equivalent of clouds for his patients. I think
intention has a great deal to do with transmitting messages. Anything
transmitted without intent is not a message.
Grant
_________________________________________________________________
MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos:
http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx
===============================================================
This was distributed via the memetics list associated with the
Journal of Memetics - Evolutionary Models of Information Transmission
For information about the journal and the list (e.g. unsubscribing)
see: http://www.cpm.mmu.ac.uk/jom-emit
This archive was generated by hypermail 2b29 : Sun Feb 03 2002 - 00:33:33 GMT