Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id BAA08300 (8.6.9/5.3[ref pg@gmsl.co.uk] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk); Sat, 2 Feb 2002 01:42:16 GMT Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 17:36:30 -0800 Message-Id: <200202020136.g121aUa14619@mail16.bigmailbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.116) X-Originating-Ip: [66.156.194.7] From: "Joe Dees" <joedees@addall.com> To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk Subject: RE: Beam me up, Scotty Sender: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk('binary' encoding is not supported, stored as-is)
> "Dace" <edace@earthlink.net> <memetics@mmu.ac.uk> Beam me up, ScottyDate: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 11:29:23 -0800
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>> >> > Dimensions are just ways of looking at
>> >> > space by comparing one arbitrarily chosen section of it to another.
>> >> > Again, the comparison takes place in the brain and not in space.
>> >> >
>> >> > Grant
>> >>
>> How do you know that it might, instead of being stored in the "brain"
>> (that amorpous clump of mush that couldn't possibly "store" memories),
>> not be beamed to you morphically? Perhaps your amorpous clump of
>> mush acts as an antenna and is tuned to the right frequency, the species
>> frequency?
>
>Do fill us in on your little sci-fi fantasy, Scott.
>
>> Has the hook set well? Can I start reeling it in? Either I'm trolling Ted
>> the Sheldrakian or Grant who might be too new to know Ted's source
>> of inspiration.
>
>I've never suggested that form (morphe) is beamed into our heads. My claim
>is that memory is a property of nature. What distinguishes life from, say,
>books and computers, is that living things possess natural memory-- the
>retention of the past-- while books and computers rely on storage of
>material configurations.
>
How droll. And disingenuous. The manner in which our brains store information (in configurations of dendrite-and-axon-connected neurons)IS natural; it naturally evolved.
>
>Btw, this is Bergson, not Sheldrake. And it was Elsasser, rather than
>Sheldrake, who first applied Bergson to organisms. Elsasser realized that
>organisms would have no way of knowing how to develop from the egg without
>some kind of "holistic memory." As a physicist, he rejected the notion that
>DNA could somehow set in motion a purely physical process of development.
>He based his reasoning on the fact that physical systems can be understood
>according to fairly simple calculations, whereas biological systems are
>"transcomputational."
>
So he was a physicist, ayy? That explain a lot, like, why he was unable to understand the idea of informational encoding in DNA like any reasonable biologist can.
>
>Ted
>
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