Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id TAA07639 (8.6.9/5.3[ref pg@gmsl.co.uk] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk); Fri, 1 Feb 2002 19:10:41 GMT Message-ID: <004301c1ab53$7f6d7680$0d86b2d1@teddace> From: "Dace" <edace@earthlink.net> To: <memetics@mmu.ac.uk> References: <LAW2-F101RjpEjUjqcG00008e46@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: ality Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 11:06:01 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
> > > Dimensions are just ways of looking at
> > > space by comparing one arbitrarily chosen section of it to another.
> > > Again, the comparison takes place in the brain and not in space.
> > >
> > > Grant
> >
> >How can it take place in the brain, a spatial object, when it doesn't
> >even take place in space?
> >
> >Ted
>
> Because that's what the brain does.
How do you know that? All we know about the brain is that it consists of
nerves that transmit macromolecules across synapses. We know it interacts
with the world because some of these nerves are afferent (incoming) and some
are efferent (outgoing). We know with certainty that its activities are
essential for all of our mental functioning. What we don't know is that it
represents the world. In fact, this is impossible, since it's clearly part
of the world. Representation of the world is by necessity removed from it.
This is an ironclad principle of logic. That which represents cannot be an
aspect of that which is represented. The brain is a physical object.
Therefore it does not represent physical objects, either itself or any
others.
> Along with recognizing recurring patterns, it compares them with
> previous patterns stored in the brain.
No one has ever detected information stored in the brain. Information is a
property of the mind. The only thing we can say for sure about the brain is
that its activities are essential to mental activity. To assert anything
more than this is unscientific.
> I know they're stored in the brain
> because we don't have to go outside the brain to find them.
Who says you're inside your brain? You exist in your mind. Your thoughts
and memories and desires all exist in your mind. On this point we can be
certain. By definition we exist in our minds. But the claim that we exist
in our brains is not true by definition. It must be empirically verified,
and no one has yet accomplished this task. Given the time and resources
devoted to this effort, it's unlikely anyone will ever do so.
Ted
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