Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id AAA03569 (8.6.9/5.3[ref pg@gmsl.co.uk] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk); Thu, 31 Jan 2002 00:46:30 GMT Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 16:40:42 -0800 Message-Id: <200201310040.g0V0egS01995@mail12.bigmailbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.116) X-Originating-Ip: [66.156.195.74] From: "Joe Dees" <joedees@addall.com> To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk Subject: Re: necessity of mental memes Sender: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk('binary' encoding is not supported, stored as-is)
> "Grant Callaghan" <grantc4@hotmail.com> memetics@mmu.ac.uk Re: necessity of mental memesDate: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 07:18:50 -0800
>Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
>
>> >You also exist and you go by the name of Joe. Are you the name, "Joe,"
>>or
>> >are you something more than just the name? Velocity, just as you
>>described
>> >it, is a measure of change. It's a tool we use to describe change. Are
>> >velocity and change the same thing? The condition we describe is
>>external.
>> >The tool we use to describe it is internal and part of our map of the
>>world.
>> > In other words, a meme.
>> >
>>
>All velocity involves change, but not all change has to be a velocity
>change; IOW, not all change is positional. The idea is a meme; it's
>referent is not, and furthermore, it's referent is real.
>> >
>Thanks. You pretty much repeated what I said. The idea, the tool we use to
>examine an object with our minds, is a meme. The Object we are using the
>idea of velocity to examine is not. We have many such tools and the concept
>of velocity is only one of them. There's no need to think of velocity as
>the only tool in our toolbox. But like spacetime, it is just a tool of
>comparison. How is object A compared to object B? Is it moving faster or
>slower? Is it larger or smaller? Is it heavier or lighter? What are the
>implications of this information?
>
>Velocity is a concept, but objects do move faster or slower than each other.
> The objects are real or we couldn't measure them. The act of measuring is
>a mental exercise. It's how we create our internal map of the universe. We
>divide our universe up into pieces (mentally) and compare the pieces with
>each other.
>
But our mental maps, built out of first natural, then augmented, perceptions, must approximate the territory pretty closely, and asymptotically approach the territory ever more closely as we progress. If such was not the case, then our perceptual apparati would not have evolved as they have, since they would have lacked the survival value that is required of evolutionarily selectable perceptions,.
>
>Grant
>
>
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