Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id IAA03163 (8.6.9/5.3[ref pg@gmsl.co.uk] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk); Mon, 28 Jan 2002 08:17:50 GMT Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 00:13:33 -0800 Message-Id: <200201280813.g0S8DXJ29144@mail21.bigmailbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.116) X-Originating-Ip: [65.80.160.154] From: "Joe Dees" <joedees@addall.com> To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk Subject: Re: sex and the single meme Sender: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk('binary' encoding is not supported, stored as-is)
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> memetics@mmu.ac.uk Keith Henson <hkhenson@cogeco.ca> Re: sex and the single memeReply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
>
>At 10:44 PM 26/01/02 +0100, you wrote:
>>On 26 Jan 2002, at 13:43, Keith Henson wrote:
>>
>> > That's too wide a net to cast. A gene that benefits the entire species
>> > does not have any feedback to spread. The math for it to spread means it
>> > must save more copies of itself than are lost.
>>
>>Well it's quite complex indeed. It's just a thought anyway, cause i
>>can't explain myself how suicide memes come about cause i don't
>>really believe in the memes-hijack-us thought.
>
>It is actually remarkable simple. As Hamilton said one time, he should be
>willing to die if it would save more than 2 brothers or more than 8
>cousins. If you understand that a brother carries half your genes and a
>cousin one eighth of your genes it is obvious math to see that genes
>favoring this level of sacrifice would be favored over the long term.
>
>> > You are getting close to the models constructed by the late William
>> > Hamilton (Dawkins cites him a lot.)
>>
>>Hm, never heard of him. Going to do some readup.
>
>I would say so. Try here for a
>start: http://www.unifr.ch/biol/ecology/hamilton/hamilton.html
You'd probably like Robert Trivers, too.
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