Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id BAA02230 (8.6.9/5.3[ref pg@gmsl.co.uk] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk); Mon, 28 Jan 2002 01:24:03 GMT Message-ID: <006f01c1a7a1$e93ac280$5e2ffea9@oemcomputer> From: "Philip Jonkers" <philipjonkers@prodigy.net> To: <memetics@mmu.ac.uk> Subject: Fw: sex and the single meme Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 17:17:17 -0900 Organization: Prodigy Internet Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
> Philip:
> > >Consider the memes:
> > >1. Terrorism.
> > >2. Terrorism causes pain and grief
> > >3. Terrorism causes pain and grief and should be combatted.
> > >4. Terrorism causes pain and grief and should be combatted with all the
> > >resources
> > > we can muster.
> > >
> > >All are memes, but which ones are units?
>
> Wade:
> > No, from the external stance, none of them are memes. The acts of
> > terrorists are memes, not the idea of terrorism, which, so far, has hurt
> > no-one, as no idea has ever hurt anyone. It is the expression and the
> > activity of expressing ideas that hurts people, and that are memes.
>
> Interesting Wade. Could you give me a (behaviorist) definition of what
> you consider a meme. Please be as clear and unambiguous as possible so we
> can
> get a better understanding of eachother.
>
> > In the case of terrorism, many of the acts cause pain and grief. And
each
> > act is a meme. And to the terrorist cell, the acts are ones of heroism
> > and pride.
> >
> > Which, also, are not memes.
>
> So it is perspective dependent whether or not an act is a meme or not.
> In this case the acts regarded by victims are memes but from the
> perpetrator's
> point of view they are not. Hence the acts of terrorism do not spread
among
> terrorists as they can't be imitated. Confusing Wade, please elaborate....
>
> Philip.
>
>
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