Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id BAA02279 (8.6.9/5.3[ref pg@gmsl.co.uk] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk); Mon, 28 Jan 2002 01:50:23 GMT Message-ID: <008401c1a7a5$95aa6860$5e2ffea9@oemcomputer> From: "Philip Jonkers" <philipjonkers@prodigy.net> To: <memetics@mmu.ac.uk> References: <200201272354.g0RNsfB12004@terri.harvard.edu> Subject: Re: Selfish meme? Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 17:43:34 -0900 Organization: Prodigy Internet Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
Philip:
> >When AI machines emerge
> >they will too produce memes
Wade:
> Memes are not possible without culture. We will see what we will see if
> we will see it, with AI machines, as to whether or not they will create a
> cultural environment into which a meme might be positioned.
Hi Wade,
Isn't the first sentence really what is known as a catch-22 situation. Memes
define culture, to omit one is to omit the other.
Anyway, what I was trying to say is that AI machines will create software
possibly totally without human intervention.
Being a meme-ubiquity disciple as I am programs are memes itself and consist
of
further primitive memes, ultimately at the single instruction atomic level.
So, by my definition of the meme, AI machines will create a culture alright
perhaps not directly with all the bells and whistles of versatility we
humans
enjoy, but still.
Philip.
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