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> "Kenneth Van Oost" <Kenneth.Van.Oost@village.uunet.be> <kennethvanoost@myrealbox.com> Re: sex and the single memeDate: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 21:33:38 +0100
>Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
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>From: <salice@gmx.net>
>
>> > Who selects !? The ' you ' or your memes !?
>>
>> It's the brain. Evolutionary seen those genes survived which built
>> the brain in a way to let it select memes which made those genes
>> survive and propagate.
>
>Hi Salice,
>
>This didn 't came out as I planned or wanted to, but here it is.
>
>Those genes you were talking about had to have ' reasons ' for such
>an ability, to built a brain in such a way that it would select memes
>which made those survive and propagate.
>
>Evolutionary seen, genes are just there to make the brain. Memes
>make up its contents.
>Like you say it, Salice you propose that evolution has a certain for-
>sight. We dismissed Lamarckism, remerber. But that is not the issue
>here, and I am certain that it was not your attempt to let it sound this
>way. Perhaps it is me!
>
>My point is, that evolutionary seen genes and memes are two different/
>seperate things relying sometimes upon one another to do/ to accomplish
>certain things, like changing cultural habits and traits, but IMO memes
>selected those genes which allowed the brain to grow in order to select
>more memes which in turn selected those genes which made them sur-
>vive and propagate.
>IMO, once the memetic evolution began, genes were outdated as the
>primary selection bias. Nowadays, memes select genes !
>
>And like Wade said, memes put forward controller mechanisms which
>produce preferential selection prior to distribution !
>If there were genes involved in the selection process to select memes,
>memes will disgard themselves of that fact. Us ' knowing ' that could harm
>their propagation and survival- chances_ other memes could take over.
>On the other hand, memes would encourage such a process, just to
>obtain the same outcome, their propagation and survival.
>
Bigger brains and tool construction and use coevolved until a threshhold was passed that allowed for the development of linguistic systems (having to do, according to Philip Lieberman (UNIQUELY HUMAN) with a metamutation that made speech production and parsing possible, by connecting their control systems with the previously elaborated (by coevolution with tool construction/use) cortical systems that mediate hand-eye co-ordination); they then began to join the dance in an expanded coevoltionary matrix.
>
>Regards,
>
>Kenneth
>
>
>
>
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