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From: Joachim Maier <jakemaier@adelphia.net>
To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
Subject: Re: Scientology
>Scott, I do not question at all the possibility that
memes, ideas, or=20
>whatever, can influence people. I'm influenced by
viewing a stand of old=20
>growth trees very substantially (I'm a forester), and
I would be foolish to=
>=20
>doubt that ideas can influence people.
>What I doubt is that the meme, or old growth stand,
or whatevery, wants to=
>=20
>influence me.
I agree, the meme clearly doesn't want anything.
It's an abstract entity with no will.
The verb `to want' should be considered with
a metaphorical meaning. It's easier to say that
a meme wants something to describe its dynamics.
Perhaps better would be to speak of the more
neutral infection potential.
I guess the slogan of memes wanting anything is
an artifact of assuming the `meme's eye view'.
Philip.
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