Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id HAA05761 (8.6.9/5.3[ref pg@gmsl.co.uk] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk); Sat, 19 Jan 2002 07:47:42 GMT Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 23:43:18 -0800 Message-Id: <200201190743.g0J7hIK20660@mail2.bigmailbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.116) X-Originating-Ip: [65.80.162.155] From: "Joe Dees" <joedees@addall.com> To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk Subject: RE: Knowledge, Memes and Sensory Perception Sender: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk('binary' encoding is not supported, stored as-is)
> "Grant Callaghan" <grantc4@hotmail.com> memetics@mmu.ac.uk RE: Knowledge, Memes and Sensory PerceptionDate: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 07:28:09 -0800
>Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
>
>>
>> > Vincent Campbell <v.p.campbell@stir.ac.uk> "'memetics@mmu.ac.uk'"
>><memetics@mmu.ac.uk> RE: Knowledge, Memes and Sensory PerceptionDate: Thu,
>>17 Jan 2002 15:10:28 -0000
>> >Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
>> >
>> >Hi Joe, how do you define 'credible source'? US military? US media?
>> >Foreign media? Aid agencies? Who do you believe?
>> >
>> >US media have closed themselves down, the allied military have closed off
>> >Afghanistan, and basically none of us outside of the situation on the
>>ground
>> >know jack about what's really going on. Real factual information about
>> >what's going on there is in short supply.
>> >
>> >I will gladly, however, bet you anything you like that the death toll in
>> >Afghanistan is already greater than in New York.
>> >
>> >Vincent
>> >
>>I sure as hell hope it is vastly greater, if that death toll is comprised
>>of Al Quaeda and Taliban. We don't want those zealous fanatical fundie
>>bastards coming over here and mass murdering more of us to punch tickets to
>>heaven if we can help it, thankyouverymuch!!!!!
>> >
>> >> >If the US does not believe that its might is evidence of its goodness,
>> >> how
>> >> >does it justify its aggression and the collateral damage (way in exes
>>of
>> >> >9/11) caused thereby. How many innocent lives does vengeance (tho your
>> >> God
>> >> >claims that right) demand
>> >> >
>> > <You need to reference your opinion with facts. as of now, the
>> >death toll from the WTC atrocity is 2939; no credible source dares claim
>> >that an equal or greater number of Afghan noncombatants have died in the
>>US
>> >reponse against the Taliban and Al Quaeda there.>
>> >> >
>"Credible sources" in the United States started claiming losses in the WTC
>of 6,000. It took 3 months to pare it down to less than 3,000. No one's
>really counting the losses in Afghanistan nor are they separating the cause
>of deaths that include starvation, sickness, attacks by the Taliban, attacks
>by the Northern Alliance, and bombs dropped by American forces. We will no
>doubt hear bandied about figures that include all of the above as deaths
>caused by American forces. There was a lot of that in discussions of
>Somalia. Let's face it, the only place where anyone is making anything
>close to a rational assessment of how many died and of what is in the U.S.
>And even those figures have been changing on a daily basis for the last few
>months. So when people start throwing figures around to "prove" their
>point, make sure you take them for what they are worth: diddly.
>
>Grant
>
And people conveniently forget that before 9/11, the US was the single largest (by a wide margin) provider of food aid to Afghanistan, and that this has not just continued, but accelerated. And that the country had a pre-9/11 infant (pre-5 years old) death rate of 25%, due to the restrictions that the Taliban placed upon the ability of Afghan women to receive prenatal care and to work to feed their children, and that agenda-ed individuals will lump every one of those (even reduced statistically) child deaths at the feet of the US.
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