Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id FAA01472 (8.6.9/5.3[ref pg@gmsl.co.uk] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk); Fri, 18 Jan 2002 05:00:07 GMT X-Originating-IP: [209.240.222.132] From: "Scott Chase" <ecphoric@hotmail.com> To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk Subject: Re: Modes of transmission Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 23:55:40 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: <F245TNTocVO0PRIjuun00014c56@hotmail.com> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jan 2002 04:55:40.0903 (UTC) FILETIME=[60D13770:01C19FDC] Sender: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
>From: Wade Smith <wade_smith@harvard.edu>
>Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
>To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
>Subject: Re: Modes of transmission
>Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 11:32:42 -0500
>
>On Thursday, January 17, 2002, at 10:41 , Vincent Campbell wrote:
>
>>A bank robber telling the teller to hand him the money isn't
>>conveying a meme, he's conveying an instruction. Memes are
>>things that are
>>replicated. An instruction is not in and of itself something that is
>>replicated, it is something that is either carried out, or not
>>carried out.
>>After all the teller is not imitating the robber by giving him all the
>>money.
>
>I was groping at completing the same objection, but, of course,
>since the meme-hydra grows as many heads as it needs, all Joe,
>or anyone else, has to say is, "well, of course, that's an
>'instructional meme', silly". Just like we've been presented
>with 'historical memes' and 'linguistic memes' and 'potential
>memes', and, well, I'll let you finish the catalog.
>
>Forcing a behavior onto someone else is coercion, but we've also
>seen many mentions here that equates memetics with coercion, on
>a very basic level.
>
>
It might take a bit of dragging, kicking and screaming to pull me squarely
within the memetic flock :-)
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