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Hi Joe,
Thanks for this interesting piece. I think you could find, however, in the
rhetoric of the EU, and the rhetoric of recent British governments much to
show Said's central point to be valid. Indeed, in the other interesting
(and polemical) piece from the US you posted about we see evidence of it
there too.
Vincent
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> From: Joe Dees
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> To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
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>
> For a trenchant critique of the constructed myths embodied in Edward
> Said's work ORIENTALISM, go to:
>
> http://www.newcriterion.com/archive/17/jan99/said.htm
>
> > Vincent Campbell <v.p.campbell@stir.ac.uk> "'memetics@mmu.ac.uk'"
> <memetics@mmu.ac.uk> RE: Knowledge, Memes and Sensory PerceptionDate: Mon,
> 14 Jan 2002 14:17:05 -0000
> >Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
> >
> >Hi Keith,
> >
> >
> > <I think in a post analysis the real competition will be seen as
> >between
> >> "western" culture and everything else. "Western" in this sense
> includes
> >> Japan and the advanced countries of south Asia as well as the more
> >> traditional countries. Japan, for example, contributes significant
> >> cultural elements to the rest of "Western" culture. "Popular" is
> another
> >> name for it. Religion is not a major element.>
> >>
> > If only the last sentence were true.
> >
> > <It's hard to describe all the major elements, but music, fashion,
> >movies
> >> and TV shows are parts of it. High tech gadgets are part of it, and to
> a
> >> lesser extent, the free market environment it takes to make them. (No
> way
> >>
> >> you can do a 5 year plan to produce things nobody has invented yet!)
> >>
> >> Near as I can tell nobody in power cares if western/popular culture
> pushes
> >>
> >> into Islamic culture and displaces it or not. Because it is not
> static,
> >> the older leaders of the western countries usually express disdain for
> >> their own popular culture. Can't blame them, piercings give me
> >> fantods. (Meme of the day, nipple rings and chain mail is a bad
> >> combination.)>
> >>
> > Try reading Edward Said's book 'Orientalism'. You'll see there
> >evidence of a huge amount of cultural, political, economic and so on
> >investment in appropriating, containing and controlling oriental culture.
> >Who does the European Union regard as a threat socially? The East,
> >particularly the Islamic East- look at the reticence of the EU to take
> >Turkey's application for membership seriously. What gets Americans
> cross?
> >When Japanese companies start buying up US ones.
> >
> > Vincent
> >
> >
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